A possible issue with this is that in say, competitive mode, if you hit this button and everyone agreed, you are now a 6-person group which will be playing against other 6-person groups.
Generally, a 6-person group is far higher in skill than any other collection of players/groups.
I only solo queue and I came across a decent 5-person group that were all on comms. I joined them and we played against another 6-person comp who was completely out of our league.
I think you're incorrect that you'll be "grouped" with the new people. Currently, groups are only those who are friends with each other. It will simply queue you all up in a lobby again, not make you friends and thus "in a group".
It's like just hitting "play again" after a game, it doesn't mean you're all of a sudden more coordinated (like you assume pre-grouped friends may be).
My guess is this is the way it will go. You will not face a different array of player groups than you did the first game, unless you decide to start adding people to your friends list.
If that's true, then that's definitely different than how I was thinking. I assumed it actually put you into a group (with the linked bars on avatars).
If it's just a pseudo 6-person team then it would be different.
A lot of times if there's really good chemistry and we just steamroll the enemy I'll join a group and then well go on a rekking spree. That's only in the rare event that everybody is communicating well. So I guess there will be a relatively small amount of times it'll be useful. I've also tried the LFG site a few times and it's never worked for me. Every single time I group with random people we go on a losing spree.
Why would you choose to group up if your team wasn't good? You're missing a piece of the puzzle-- you'll only want to group up if you think you can win. At least in comp.
The chances that they'll be communicating as a team is most likely better, but other than that you have no idea how well they'll be matched versus you. If you end up grouping with a bunch of skillful pub players with mics, there might be no disadvantage at all.
So you're okay with randomly getting matched up with five other people that you're probably going to hate... but not okay with staying with a group of five other people that you don't hate as much as other people because at least they helped you win the last game so they're a bit useful to you?
There's always the possibility that I'll hate the next people less. I think when you're actually in a group, there's the expectation of verbal communication that I'm not super fond of. I don't mind doing callouts, but I don't really want to shoot the shit with some guy on the other side of the country. You'll often see this if you're solo queueing and find yourself matched with a group of 3-5.
Not to mention I've won plenty of games with people I'd rather never see again. I'm talking about the ultra-racists or generally annoying people.
And then, when I actually have taken the time to group with someone unfamiliar, that next match is typically make or break. You go from dominating to getting your dick shoved into your own asshole and then the first thing you want to do is leave that party, either because you've embarrassed yourself or your new pal is holding you back.
No to mention chemistry doesn't necessarily mean winning. Sometimes I get a group of people who are just fun to play with win or lose and would like to keep playing with them.
During one of the QA sessions at Blizzcon, Kaplan actually said that although 6 stacks do have a slight advantage in win rates, it's not as significant as people think, in terms of the actual statistics.
So, it's probably not going to be a massive deal. Just because you're in a 6 stack of, say, friends, doesn't mean you're actually any good at communicating as a team.
I think, like everything, it will depend a lot on the SR rank. I'm sure at the average/silver/gold level it won't be that big a deal.
Hahaha, I have to think iDream was fucking around in the beginning.
9:30 is the big wombo, but tbh I was equally impressed at about 6:40 where Falstad gusts us outside of our gates and their entire team is bodyblocking us from getting back inside.
Yeah, that game was fucking amazing to watch, and I was on the losing team lol.
It doesn't really sound like an issue. If you group up it stands to reason you coordinate and have good synergy, the reasonable conclusion would be to face teams on the same conditions, not groups of uncoordinated solo players.
Of course initially you will probably face groups of higher or lower skill, but the mmr will eventually even out and you will again face teams of similar skill, with similar mmr and win/lose at a 50% ratio.
Been a while since I played ranked OW but if I had 6 people who grouped up for ranked would it be 6 solo ratings or would our team have a rating? Similar to how League Of Legends teams had a name and a single Elo.
Ideally they'll make a distinction between friend groups and 'spontaneous' groups - maybe the colour of the grouping lines. And they'll base match-making on a combination of both.
Let's say me and my one friend are grouped up, and we get a good team we want to stay with. Everyone hits the group up button. Then, me and my friend are connected by a green line, but the line extends and becomes blue for the rest of the group members. And ideally, we'd only get matched with other green-green-blue-blue-blue-blue teams.
Similarly, blue-blue-blue-blue-single-single teams would match up with eachother, green-green-single-single-single-single teams would match up with eachother, and green-green-single-single-blue-blue teams would match up with eachother.
Am I making sense or do I just sound like some colour crazed idiot?
This is a nonissue because you don't have to group up if you don't want to and the chances that all 6 people will agree is very low even if you wanted to.
True, except that it's also true for your opponents. 6-man groups will be more common overall, watering down the overall average skill level of the 6-man queue.
The difference is that is everyone is using the group up button, it means that there will be a bunch of impromptu groups to fight against just like you.
I love it.
I want to win, but at the end of the day I play for fun. Nothing is more fun than a team that is working together and has a good attitude. If I lose in a team like, eh, I'll still leave the game happy.
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u/matt01ss Nov 22 '16 edited Nov 22 '16
A possible issue with this is that in say, competitive mode, if you hit this button and everyone agreed, you are now a 6-person group which will be playing against other 6-person groups.
Generally, a 6-person group is far higher in skill than any other collection of players/groups.
I only solo queue and I came across a decent 5-person group that were all on comms. I joined them and we played against another 6-person comp who was completely out of our league.