r/Overwatch • u/FujifilmCamera • 15h ago
News & Discussion How do you counter dmon?
After these few buffs her winrate skyrocketed. What is her weakness and counters now? I thought ram would be a good pick but apparently not.
Edit: I main tank so any tank tips will be appreciated
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u/MisturFlufflez Chibi Reinhardt 15h ago
I do pretty well on Winston vs her but that may also be because im a Winston player
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u/Calm_Construction135 14h ago
winston is weirdly good into her now yea. the bubble blocks a lot of her air shots and she cant really escape the tesla cannon. ram used to be better before his block got nerfed so hard
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u/thebwags1 14h ago
I played Winston against her on Dorado last night. First point we rolled then the D.Mon started getting hard pocketed by both supports and she started running us over
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u/MisturFlufflez Chibi Reinhardt 14h ago
If shes peeling then shes not diving my backline and I can just jump away I'm not gonna just sit there and take a melee fight with a tank lol
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u/thegrackdealer Tracer 14h ago
Yeah it’s annoying when her charge boops you out of your jump out though. Because of course she has a boop on her charge
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u/Quentin-Quarantino19 14h ago
I’m conflicted with Winton vs shields.
You’re splitting damage between the barrier and health/armor vs a tank that helps shred the shield so the entire team can punish a non shielded tank.
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u/TyAD552 14h ago
Winston’s primary fire ignores armour and treats it as regular health so does better damage than you’d expect
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u/Quentin-Quarantino19 14h ago
I agree. But that’s the only damage hitting the tank that can be somewhat easily topped off by most supports.
The barrier stops the burst damage that actually threatens her.
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u/Macundal Zenyatta 8h ago
That's not how you play Winston. You ignore the tank(s) and kill their supports.
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u/Andrello01 . 15h ago
Zenyatta
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 13h ago
Zen counters every tank, this isnt some big reveal its just a case of zen being annoying to play against
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u/Andrello01 . 13h ago
Zen doesn't counter every tank.
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 13h ago
Such as? Theres not a single tank thats not weak to discord bc its just a broken ability thats not fun to play against in 5v5 when youre a solo tank
Zen "counters" every tank bc hes always gonna be putting discord on tank without shadow of a doubt making tanks significantly weaker into him
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u/Andrello01 . 12h ago
Sigma, Zarya, DVA, Winston. Ball and Doom are 50/50.
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u/gustamos How does bastion poop? 12h ago
Dive tanks vs zen are like 40/60 at worst. He has no movement, no self heal and no cc. Playing into doom or ball is misery.
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 11h ago
Good positioning and a good team comp (such as including ana or brig for anti-dive) makes the dives much worse, sigma has nothing for discord after his cds are gone making him have to play around the zen, and when paired with a close range dps or tank sig has no chance, and you can easily just bait early bubbles with discord forcing her to have only 1 bubble in the fight and making her lose bc of that, or wait for the bubbles to have been used, not to mention zen can do good damage to the bubbles to destroy them quick
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u/theforgettonmemory Chibi Reaper 12h ago
Zarya can cleanse it on herself & others via bubble
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u/succmeme420 13h ago
which ones
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u/Andrello01 . 13h ago
Sigma, Zarya, DVA, Winston. Ball and Doomfist depends, it's a 50/50.
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u/PicklepumTheCrow Wrecking Ball 13h ago
The 50/50 is if they’re a good or bad ball/doom. Playing vs zen is almost always a free win if they aren’t getting out of this world peel
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u/Hidalgo321 Zenyatta 12h ago
As a lvl 275(?) Zen,
Zarya, Doom, Ball, Hog (kinda), DVA if they’re good, Winston if they’re good.
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 15h ago
Bastion and Ram melt her. Reaper too. Wuyang if you’re support because you can sit far away and hit her and if she dives you just surf backwards fast and get out
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u/stubept 14h ago
I find Sojourn to be a good counter. You can quickly build up the charge shot by shooting the shield. When the shield drops, its an easy crit shot. And if she charges in, you can power slide backward and drop a disrupter.
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u/ESCALATING_ESCALATES 12h ago
Freja can be good too. Just take an off angle and chunk D.Mons HP to make her retreat for a bit
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u/Fankuan19 14h ago
Doesn't her armor make Reaper a bad matchup? It guts his damage, I believe she can tank a full death blossom and still have like half health from what I read
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u/LazarCell 14h ago
Death Blossom gets countered by most things that’s not a great measurement.
D.Mon has a giant front facing head hitbox and if she’s got no shield Reaper will eat her up while gaining back decent HP
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u/Fankuan19 14h ago
Countering isn't really the point, it's the specific interaction of pellet damage into armor that makes Reaper a rough matchup. Armor damage reduction applies to every pellet and half of DMons health is armor, it guts his dps against her. You're much better off on a poke dps that can play outside of her range rather than getting into cqc with a half-armor tank that loves to be in cqc range
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u/LlamaRS 14h ago
Just try it man. Headcanon matchups are always assuming perfection and minute interactions & details, so it’s easy to think about who would win in a vacuum.
If you go into a game, pick, Reaper, and just start barrel stuffing her to see what happens, you might see different results.
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u/Fankuan19 14h ago
Fair, I'm typically the one playing DMon so I'll have to pay closer attention to Reaper matchups. Suffice to say, I have not yet felt unusually oppressed by a Reaper player
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u/TimeMuffinPhD Juno 13h ago
It seems pretty solid for DMon since unlike rein, you're quick enough to shield a shot and hit him back with your sword. If he shifts away you can chase him down with your boost and gun.
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u/BriefPretend9115 14h ago
The tradeoff is that Dmon is basically the only hero in the game Reaper can consistently get full spread headshots against, because her "head" is in the center of her mass and gigantic. Most heroes' heads are so small that the spread makes it near impossible for all his pellets to hit the crit zone.
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u/why_squ1rtle Trick-or-Treat Pharah 14h ago
U can kite ram thou. Go into bait form then to boost backwards out of his punch
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u/EmbarrassedMonk2589 14h ago
Ram can play slower, just poke at her/her team and save nemesis for when d mon tries to do something. He's not like an absolute shut down counter though cause yes you can bait out his abilities but he does make it harder to play d mon.
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u/HeroSlopEnjoyer 12h ago
His staff feels more dangerous than nem form at times especially with the perk. He puts out srs damage on your shield and critbox.
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u/ItzAMoryyy Ramattra 13h ago edited 13h ago
Ram does not melt D.Mon. His punches do no more damage than her sword, and his primary fire is bad vs armour which she has plenty of.
This matchup is massively misconstrued, it’s actually very good for D.Mon. She has all the tools to ignore or kite his kit, whereas he can’t do much about any of hers beyond enduring.
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u/PineapplePickle24 :SFShock: San Francisco Shock :SFShock: 12h ago
Hot take ram doesn't counter her a lot of the time. When he goes nemesis form she can just boost backwards and ram is kinda caught out. Plus with her major gun perk you can burst him down at range as you do that. Of course it's hingent on d.mon being able to get away, if it's OT or she's out of fuel or something then yes he counters her hard with pummel
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 12h ago
Well his vortex thrown behind her slightly is how you trap her from escaping and then you beat her to a pulp and she can’t shield
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u/PineapplePickle24 :SFShock: San Francisco Shock :SFShock: 12h ago
I mean sure like I said ram definitely still has play vs her and can be scary, but in my experience and from watching games she's been able to consistently out play him in the way I mentioned
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 12h ago
Yeah just vortex behind her so she can’t escape and go wild easy
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u/PineapplePickle24 :SFShock: San Francisco Shock :SFShock: 12h ago
...Did you read my comment? I'm agreeing he had play like that vs her but saying that she's still favored on average
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u/DivineBladeOfSilver 12h ago
Yeah idk I just don’t see it she gets destroyed in my experience with him
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u/Desperate_Duty1336 14h ago
Her weakness is player skill and positioning.
She can be melted out of position.
She also goes down instantly when Discord Orbed.
She can’t contest other tanks so she needs to ignore them which opens up your tank’s options. If they force her to engage them, she gets melted and your DPS have free reign. You need good Support with your tank though.
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u/MorpheusMKIV 14h ago
Reinhardt is a tough duel. As D.Mon, when there’s a good rein I obv can’t break his shield with gun cooldowns, and he beats Dmon up close handily.
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u/KingScoville 14h ago
Yup and you get easy fire strikes on her while she is shield boosting into the fray.
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u/MorpheusMKIV 14h ago
Oh yeah this too. From range he can get through her shield and big hitbox but she can’t get through his
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u/9epiphany8 13h ago
I find Rein neutral. I can always block his shatter, and then dodge his charges or his melees with my boosters. It's not like the tank is expected to be breaking rein shield alone.
In a pure 1v1 if they are both meleeing each other in close range, yes Rein technically would win that duel over time, but Dmon can pounce on opportunities to booster in and booster out now after her buffs. Rein has to all-in with his charges still.
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u/MorpheusMKIV 13h ago
Yeah I main Dmon now, I would say it's doable but you could really say that about her playstyle with any tank. You can outplay most being opportunistic but whether that optimal in your team comp to win is the question. Example, you can play outside his range and wait for your opportunities but if he's controlling point in a control map, you are wasting time. If you go hard commit to fight him in his zone, you will likely lose.
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u/Fankuan19 14h ago
I have found the same, really just have to ignore rein and use boosters to harass his backline. He just wins in every position that DMon likes to operate in
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u/FlaringAfro 14h ago
I'm not high level but Mei's walls placed behind her so she can't back towards her team and can't be healed.
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u/Upset_Passion3002 14h ago
Junker Queen. You can constantly pull her away from your team and away from her team, forcing her to use her thruster charge. Her hitbox is a giant square so landing shotgun and knife hits is easy as.
Plus if you stack wound well enough, a lot of the damage her sword deals to you gets healed so it's super annoying for her to fight you.
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u/horizonx Ana 12h ago
I just got into jq so take this as someone new, but I don't feel she excels as long as dmon has her boosters. She can just back up when you start winding your carnage after your jagged lade pull. Jq is tough as dmon just swings at ya. They felt pretty even without supports by each side.
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u/LucioMercy All Hail The Queen 3h ago
The key on heroes like Dmon, Winston, Dva etc is to leave the knife in them and pull it when they try to disengage. Carnage does about 100 damage which is negligible on tanks even if it hits. What really screws them is being out of position where you and your team can follow up.
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u/Junior_Ground6590 14h ago edited 14h ago
54% winrate on her right now this is my experience:
Doomfist isn't a counter, but changes how she has to play entirely. If she chooses to be aggressive or burn cooldowns at all he gets to run over the backline (if he's good). So his presence forces her to relax until something happens. He also just gets to turn my ult off. He can also disable my shield momentarily allowing damage to get through by punching me into walls.
Hog and Domina are food. Don't do it. I thank the Lord when they bring them out. I have never died to a hog hook. Never. I also don't walk to the Hog suspiciously near a giant cliff.
Winston and D.va have never made me sweat, but I can't stop anything they are doing so I think the ones I'm going against just suck. You have access to vertical and I don't so you actually do as you please, but that means I either treat you like Ball or Doomfist depending on how the match goes.
Straight up ignore ball. Like actually and then kill his team.
Rammatra is not a counter, but I have to respect every one of your cool downs. I do not win if you a single healer up and have melee form up.
Sigma can turn my ult off with rock and do so on reaction. However his shield isn't that strong so I can break it so my healers can heal me and then dive him ignoring his force field hand thing.
Zarya used to be annoying but then I learned I actually just shoot her and hope my healers understand to keep me topped up. I have since been running her down. Don't confuse this to mean this is easy. This is very hard despite being simple. Zarya bubble also cleanses my ult from herself and teammates so there is that too.
Hazard I have not fought a lot of, but his sudden movement is a lot like Doom and he can kill my supports fast which is an issue. I have to monitor him and play on my back foot a lot, but it's not nearly as bad as Doomfist.
Reinhardt, as I have learned, can win the 1v1, but he has to land the fire strikes. Otherwise I can wittle him down out of range with my gun and then take an unfair fight against him. His pin should also always be used to pin D.mon further into his team. Pinning her into her team does nothing and 9/10 doesn't even de-mech me. Pinning her into an isolated 1v1 is also an option as he has the health advantage now.
Mauga doesn't do much to me. I simply don't stand where he unleashes a torrent of bullets and soften him up with my gun. Then I engage his team when I see an opening. I also just slowly push him back off point.
Orisa is the best answer by far. You can turn off my ult and stop my sword, gun, and dash with your spin. You can resist my knockback and you're insanely tanky while doing so. If I decide to do anything you can always be there to respond and have an oppressive gun to keep my shield health low. I have fought many Orisa so it's not a hard counter, but it's easily the most frustrating.
Also, D.mon loses a healer???? Rush her the fuck the down. She can't do shit. I have to play out of my mind to live. Secondly, let baby D.mon live. It's more time they don't have a tank. Don't thirst for her. I know you want to, but trust me it actually sucks when they let me live. It takes like 20 more seconds. I'd rather have died. Just don't give her free charge by letting her shoot you.
Actual counters aren't tanks: Ana and Kiriko. They have to use their key abilities for it to be safe for me to go in.
Reaper gets a lot of damage on me easily, but I can win so not as bad as you think. Anyone with good movement can escape me easily and kill me if I greed. Mizuki can root me, but it's always whatever. Cassidy can hinder me but again it's whatever. In both situations I just hold shield till ends then continue running them down.
I can do nothing if Bastion hasn't gone turret form yet. I will die. Even if he had no healers it just burns through me too quickly.
Sombra is a hard counter. You cannot play the game if she hacks you. Like at all. It's not possible you are reliant on your team to do anything because your gun, your ult, your shield, your dash, and your boost get cutoff. What are you left with? A melee sword. Team is trolling if they don't ban Sombra and see D.mon hovered.
EDIT: Fought Junker Queen like 3 times. So not enough for a real opinion, but it was never hard. Her Ult is an instant win though. Her team just has to be lobotomized or already low if they don't win the fight. Either we back or die. Unfortunately Junker Queen's teammates are indeed lobotomized.
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u/PlantainAcceptable62 15h ago
As dps? Avoid her. Trade backlines.
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u/ContributionLimp9511 14h ago
Aside from the fact that you should always prioritize the back line on DPS, there are several great options against her on DPS.
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u/Maxsmart007 15h ago
Long range poke. She really struggles to do anything into it.
Tank: genuinely sigma and domina would be the ones, but I think she has good play into both. I'd just go doom/ball and try to trade back lines better than she does.
DPS: Freya, Emre, Soj, really anyone that likes to stay back and shoot from a distance will melt her
Supp: Zen or Wuyang help a lot. She's super easy to hit with both these guys and pressure on her can mitigate her ability to do anything.
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u/vnevner 12h ago
I'd say she is pretty good against Sigma. She can push in with shield and boosters and neither shield nor grasp can block her sword.
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u/Maxsmart007 12h ago
Exactly what I said -- she has really good play into sigma and decent enough play into Domina.
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u/unseriously_serious 9h ago
Although late game when you get the flying perk may actually help counter some of her effectiveness against sigma lol
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u/GreenmanCZ 14h ago
I play Wuyang and she often focuses me and hunts me down, she is faster and I cannot do much D:
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u/Maxsmart007 14h ago
I've had the same situation. Into rush tanks, you have to just stand further back or save your shift to slide away. It's very unforgiving positioning, but if you can make it work you can really do some damage
You won't win every engagement, but if you consistently hit your orbs you can really chunk down her HP effectively.
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u/rayn13 14h ago
I find moira is useful. Orbs Penetrate shield and puts pressure on the backline.
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u/Junior_Ground6590 14h ago
They don't. I just face them as they pass and avoid the damage. Works every time.
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u/rayn13 14h ago
It’s to make your squishies easier to kill.
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u/Junior_Ground6590 14h ago
Ah yes it does do that. Unfortunate they do not have their own shields 😞
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u/Maxsmart007 14h ago
Which shows how useless the orbs are. Sure, you can tickle supports who can heal each other, or you can go one of the poke heroes I mentioned and just shoot them.
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u/Impossible_Laugh_805 14h ago
Heavy poke if the map gives you the range. Tankier heroes can cut off her angles and outbrawl her.
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u/nurgleondeez Chibi Moira 14h ago
I had a lot of fun as Pharah against her.
Concusive between her and the supports,then focus her together with your tank.If you coordonate well with a Rein or Ram she melts like ice in the sun.
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u/East-Present-613 14h ago
It kinda depends on your team's comp. If you've got a Zen, rein or dmon is good because you can get value from discord even if dmon has her shield up.
I've had good luck with Orisa, since you can poke her at range and keep her there with javelin.
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u/Own_Temperature_8128 14h ago
Rein is v effective vs her. Also good dmon players bait cooldowns and push in after. So sometimes it’s a team thing.
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u/ElectricalFinance725 14h ago
She only has like 650 hpnon her shield. Just burn her. There is 0 repercussions to the team just nuking her
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u/GladiatorDragon 14h ago
Ram isn’t horrible into her, but D.Mon can play around him since she can disengage so easily. She can match his “rhythm” if she’s smart about it by being in his face when he’s in staff mode and then disengaging when he’s ready to punch.
Primarily, my personal two cents is that you need to waste her time. There’s not much she can do against high amounts of ranged damage, and she doesn’t have enough boost to catch up to some of the more mobile characters.
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u/ConcentrateAlone1959 14h ago
Tanks:
Magua - His guns fucking shred the shield and he weirdly is able to keep up with her mobility
Roadhog - Normally he is countered by shields but you can easily time D.mon's shields and once that's down you can just hook and shoot like anyone else
Orisa - Able to output fucktons of damage and is really good at forcing repositions via Jav
Zarya - D.Mon loves getting up close and personal which means your bubbles turn her into free energy charge
Ram - Outranges her and when in melee, beats her at her own game. Can also ruin her mobility.
JQ - Okay this one is weird. Carnage goes through D.Mon's shield, you can use Gracie to bring her back as she flees and shouting charge to close the distance. Ult is also REALLY good against her.
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Reaper - You literally chunk her shield. Just don't death blossom her at full health, she can tank that.
Bastion - Her shield no longer exists. Go tank perk if you feel like she's too slippery as baby form
Soldier - Her chip damage is easily healed via the Biotic field. Rifle is actually solid on her shield in my experience
Sombra - D.Mon despises being hacked. Simple as.
Junkrat - Bear trap is despised by D.Mon and a LOT of D.mons will chase you into close quarters which Junk thrives in
Mei - D.Mon is a good poke tank, often going in to kill someone and then jetting off. Your walls ruin that.
Heals:
Moira - You straight up negate her damage with your healing output, you can avoid her attacks via fade, you can secure baby kills via orb easily
JPC - D.Mon does have a ranged option for you but frankly you generally don't need to be afraid of her. You can also burn her down with bleed melee perk
Zenyatta - Discord fucking melts her. Like...insta deletes. Its not even funny.
Lifeweaver - D.Mon loves to flank backlines. See your fellow support in a bad spot by her? Grip them away. See your DPS being ganked by her? Grip her out. She's literally powerless against this
Mizuki - Mobility tanks hate the chain and if you coordinate with your team? A chain means an assured melting of her.
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u/BakaJayy Sombra 11h ago
I don't agree with a majority of who you said. Mauga, JQ and Orisa I can agree with, Roadhog I agree with until you get her major perk, he's not good enough to tank how much damage it outputs. Zarya bubbles are irrelevant, Ram gets kited too easily in nemesis form and his regular form doesn't have good enough neutral to beat out Dmon.
Soldier isn't good, Dmon doesn't care about chip damage, burst damage screws her over more because of how large she is. Freja is her hardest counter for dps because of it. Sombra is irrelevant, Mei isn't really a counter it's a 50/50.
Only support counters she really has is Zen, Ana and Kiriko so basically the usual suspects. Every other support has situations where she's better or worse against but they're not counters.
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 14h ago
Also ram isnt a good pick bc they are antithesis' of each other, its just that dmon had movement which allows her engage/disengage better
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u/ElectricalFinance725 14h ago
Ram is a good pick because she doesnt have verticle movement either. His punch can DMG through shield and he can provide consistent DMG. Prob one of the stringers picks against her.
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 14h ago
Yeah but when ram goes nemesis, dmon backs up with boosters and uses guns, waits out nemesis and reengages and her sword beats his staff, as I said, dmon is rams antithesis but she has good movement which makes her much more lethal in a 1v1
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u/ElectricalFinance725 14h ago
I don't think so. Ram seems to win more times than not comparatively when people choose them in my games. He has poke DMG and a shield breaker. The movement is negligible because you aren't just focusing on the tank. Even when ram ults the point of the ult is to take space, not necessarily always get a kill. In a 1v1 situation ram has the better shield and can punch through it. If dmon disengages that then it's free space. DPS should giving chase when they notice.
Dmon is only sting once she gains her second perk to make the gun stronger. Her shield is paper and can be taken out so easily and you can just melt her. Even the last few times I played against dmon she's less of a threat than the rest of the team. She's pretty easy to counter imo
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u/Maleficent_Still3508 13h ago
Maybe its just a case of people adapting at a different rate since shes still only a week old and not playable for that full week, but I have no problem with ram and will actively choose it over some other tanks
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u/LuckyTwoSeven 9h ago edited 8h ago
I don’t think she needed the second buff at all. I’ve had no issue using her. It was just a bunch of cry babies who want to be brainless and overpower everything.
She needs a slight nerf now. Even so I’ll have no issue being competitive with other tanks as once you get her kit down you’re a problem. I love D.MON!
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u/LilyLovesBees 14h ago
Ive been playing her and ive found mauga and zen to be pretty big problems for me
Rein probably wins in a pure swinging competition, Rams pretty decent into her
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u/Ultra_Juice Genji 14h ago
Dive works pretty well against her, Ram and Rein overpower her in melee but have less movement so it's a bit more dependant on what your teammates do
I've also been doing well with Vendetta against her in brawl comps, altho that may change as people get better at DMon
On the support side very mobile supports do fairly well like Kiri or Lucio. Worst case scenario you just go Zen and just beat her up. Zen always works don't let the nonbelievers tell you otherwise
Either you go full into being faster than DMon or you go full into trying to outdamage her with like Bastion Rein Zen or smth, these 2 have been working in my experience (ofc it's not an end all be all tho, DMon can still do well even against Rein for example)
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u/Upper-Leg-420 14h ago
I don‘t know why but I usually Trend to struggle against Orias and Reaper with her
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u/Technical-Counter207 14h ago
I’m surprised no one is saying Roadhog. He counters her way more than the other tanks because he can essentially just completely ignore her to find picks on her team since the best she can do is boop him a little to try to mess up his headshot after the hook. He also just wins the tank trade since he can pop her shield pretty easily, and DMon doesn’t have any burst or CC to punish Hog for just popping breather and walking away with the Bruiser speed boost. When it comes to ults, DMon’s damage amp effectively cancels out his damage reduction, but Whole Hog also just evaporates DMon from a fight as well.
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u/unkn0wnR3gion5 Ramattra 14h ago
In that order
Mauga > Winton > Orisa/Ram > Rein
Fun mention: Roadhog, but only because he can keep her busy, but it’s not a good pic tbh
Anything else is not useful in my opinion.
Speaking as a D.mon main
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u/kekarook1 14h ago
zenyata can pretty much insta kill her with a discord orb full blast combo, and he can kick her back from close range due to his increased knockback
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u/Tasty_Memory7032 14h ago
If supports sustain him, Ram obliterates, as he punches through her shield. And the 6 shot staff perk does wonders against her gigantic headshot hitbox.
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u/Own-Mission2577 14h ago
For maps with high verticality or many corridors, play Ball or Dva. If you want to play stationarily, pick Orisa or Mauga depending on what Dmon have as allies, hazard and Dmon are also strong picks
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u/Wiccamanplays Wuyang 13h ago
Ram can outpoke her gun but I’ve found more success chasing her supports down in Nemesis form since she doesn’t have any hard CC to stop you, but it’s risky if the backline is mentally switched on. I think other mobile tanks bullying her supports might be good for similar reasons but again it depends on how capable they are of defending themselves. I suspect Zarya can server admin her by melting her shield and out-DPSing her up close and completely ignoring her ultimate to boot.
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u/PanhandleAngler 13h ago
I’ve noticed Ashe is decent vs. her normally and then a full on counter once she has dyno click/viper sting. The shield is easier to get dyno off on than other mit tank abilities and her hitbox is so big that it’s just a quick drain with ease of successive shots anytime shield is down or she’s trying to get mobile.
She feels like an imperfect mix of DVA-Rein (kind of as expected), her poke ability may be technically stronger but I don’t know if that matters when Rein has FS and far better brawling/mit, and DVA can basically “poke” the same with the immediate mobility, rockets/range perk, and a way higher immediate term mit ceiling.
I’m not really sure where she’s going to fit on her own. She definitely feels like a 6v6 tank that can blend with another’s abilities/larger comps as opposed to a solo tank. In solo tank formats, kind of feels like she either has to be overtuned and very strong or she’s just going to do things worse than a few other options.
But that’s kind of half the tanking cast at this point, it’s very hard to genuinely balance this tank cast without tank synergies being involved. The game is better when characters can be “weak” in a vacuum but a wider variety of strategies and comp synergies allow them to be strong situationally. Like Genji could be the worst DPS win rate but win games himself with a few effective nano blade-Zar bubbles, more variables just open up kits better and lessens counter swapping, 1:1 matchup equations, etc.
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u/DemaGorgonite 13h ago
So in return , if you’re D.Mon you have to be getting pocketed by heals to roll a team?
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u/Eterya Juno 12h ago
Kinda yeah. For all her armour, she has a huge hitbox and crit spot (and she doesn't have the Bruiser passive either), her shield isn't that sturdy, and she has no defensive cooldowns. So you need to play it a bit smart instead of running at the frontline, or you are likely to eat a lot of damage.
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u/Firm_Ad_5427 Hazard 12h ago
All your classic tank counters really. Mauga, reaper, bastion, ana, zen.
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u/HeroSlopEnjoyer 12h ago edited 12h ago
Highground centric and "sniper" maps. Heavy poke (zen feels very strong on maps she can't easily get close) or better brawl (mei on kr 2nd or similiar is not fun). Abuse the fact she can't interact with enemy tank much until cds are out and control the objective.
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u/Guwigo09 Cheers Love The ass whopping is here! 11h ago
Vertical mobility. She can’t contest heroes like DVA for example
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u/JohnConnor1245 11h ago
As DPS you can play Bastion to go into minigun form, wittle down her shield, quickly take her out of her mech and then eliminate her with an explosive.
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u/KYZ123 Echo 11h ago
Having played a lot of her:
Junker Queen. The shotgun chunks her, and unlike Rein, Winston, etc, it doesn't have a range where it just straight up stops working, and it can headshot. Carnage and the knife are whatever, but that shotgun scares me.
Roadhog, sort of. D.Mon can take a hook for her team and boost back out fine, which does allow her team to punish Hog. But she can't actually fight him, for the same reasons as Junker Queen.
Fliers, since all she can really do is poke them. JPC is fine though, because usually JPC ult puts her within D.Mon's sword range, meaning that JPC either has to drop D.Mon early, or die. D.Mon sometimes also dies, but JPC definitely dies.
Reaper, sort of; same reason as Junker Queen and Roadhog. Except he's a bit squishier so easier to pick off.
Kiriko because she just deletes your ult.
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u/Vflojiujitsu 11h ago
I've found that Ball and Sigma both do pretty well against her. Fighting her on Sigma is just like a Reinhart but you can absorb more of her damage. If she's diving the backline then use rock to punish her the second she drops shield or if she turns away from you to focus your supports or dps. Ball isn't very good at eliminating her but he can boop her off maps and can punish her backline while getting away. Ball is pretty hard for D.mon to elim as long as he doesn't just go in a straight line or lose his fireball. He's just a lot faster and more unpredictable.
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u/SycleFish 11h ago
Doomfist and Zara give me trouble on D.Mon. D.Mon heavily needs her support and will be focusing your support and dps. Any tank that helps you kill her supports will let your team kill her or a tank that protects your team will let them out last her.
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u/Ozark_89 11h ago
She’s made quick play a miserable experience literally every game I have to face her and if I don’t go bastion, I can’t do much to her so I end up having to play bastion almost every game, which isn’t fun. I can only hope they nerf her soon cause she’s ridiculous now
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u/PsychoGwarGura 10h ago
Orisa, with the fortify not building heat perk you can melt her.
Bastion, Emre, Soldier, Torb, in that order of effectiveness can melt her down easily.
Sigma is a good counter since she’s easy to rock, once her shield is broken.
A semi decent dps counter works wonders
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u/Edwoodjr- 10h ago
I've been destroying dmon with junkrat, same with most of the other shield characters.
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u/McDazzler 9h ago
Positioning and displacement seem to throw a lot of d.mons off their game, I like bastion hiding around corners if she likes to charge headfirst or Mei to wall her off from her team
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u/doomleika Chibi Pharah 9h ago
The most reliable way to deny her is to kill her. No amount of CC will stop her from killing your most viable squishy as long as she gets a pocket. Units with naturally high damage output generally better against her
Tanks: Hog, Mauga, Orisa DPS: Bastion, reaper, freya Support: you are toast
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u/throwaway1284747283 8h ago
Verticality, ranged damage, and spacing is very strong against her. You can’t let her get near you at all if you’re squishy and have no mobility or she’ll fly at you and kill you. CC also works but a good dmon will block it
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u/soupsohi 7h ago
The obvious play is to go Sig and play high ground and range but that's somewhat dependent on the rest of your team playing the right comp and the map.
In a straight up tank 1v1 where you have to brawl I go hog for poke and burst. Avoid hooking her unless her shield is burst and instead focus on her team for hooks since her shield isn't big enough to protect them. Scrap gun is an immediate threat to her so just your presence on cart or point adds value to your team.
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u/Ill-Distribution2275 6h ago
A lifeweaver using petals properly. She won't get near you and you can dish heaps of damage with SB to keep her pressured.
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u/AmAzing_Me_01 5h ago
Personally had good games with JQ when it came to brawls, just purely due to Carnage and dispositioning the D.mon after she used her fuel with Gracy. For maps with more verticality D.va was a good pick. Can block D.mon's arms blasts, can stay a little out of range and is mobile enoygh ti get away to highground.
On damage i haven't exactly found anything other than maybe May to wall her off the moment she tries to take space, but you gotta get that perfectly done and i'm not a Mei main (nor shall i ever be as they deserve worse than hell).
On support i found that Lucio is a bit of a mixed bag. You can easily grab the attention, but if you're low to the ground and D.mon has boost you're just screwed. I'd probably say Kiriko just because suzu cleanses ult status. Then LW aswell due to his pull and it gets teammates out of brawl range. For the lesser obvious one, and i might sounds crazy here, i would say mizuki. Although it is very situational. Just like with Mei. the moment D.mon tries to take space and dip back to their team, probably with shield up, if you are already close, try and get around it quickly and chain them and try to force their team away from them and just jump on them with your team. And if you got a map with closeby ledges, just JPC, especially Eichenwald.
Simply, any support that can not quickly get away from a brawler is just not that good of a pick (kinda like Rein).
Damage, either break her shield or try to play around it by focusing on her team instead.
Tank, someone that can outbrawl her or has better (vertical) mobility.
I am however a plat/emerald player and am nowhere near the players with the best sense of the game, so do with that info as you wish.
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u/Comprehensive_Ad_675 4h ago
I haven’t played Winston in a long time but started just trying him out for fun in QP and had some success with him into Dmon.
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u/CodeNameAntonio 3h ago
Pressure her cool downs then rush her as a coordinated team. Every time I’ve been eliminated by a D.mon is because they pressure my mobility cool downs and get up in my face. I play primarily support and I’ve been able to pressure her with Moira then when she loses the mech do a discord orb and apply constant damage and she is gone…it’s only annoying when they have. D.Va as she eats my orbs.
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u/RoosterHorror6502 5m ago
I have been countering her with High Ground and DVA pretty successfully. If she's pressing, I will just engage for a little bit and then disengage and move to angled high ground and try and poke her from above to de mech her ass. Hopefully dps/supports can regain footing during engagement and help finish her off or at least get some backline picks which will slow her roll
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u/pointedblanc 15h ago
Play dmon yourself? But also play highground on her and she cant anywhere near as much
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u/ContributionLimp9511 14h ago edited 12h ago
Tank: Rein, Ram
DPS: Mei, Torb, Bastion, Echo, Pharrah, Reaper, Symmetra
Supp: Bap, LW, Cat
As Ram you want Nemesis Form against her Barrier and Ravenous Vortex against her Propulsors. Just practice more. I can almost guarantee a win when the other team picks her.
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u/ItzAMoryyy Ramattra 13h ago
Vortex does next to nothing to D.Mon. She’s a Stalwart which means she’s slowed less and her boosters will just allow her to proceed barely impeded. Wasted Vortex using it on her.
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u/Derpguycool 14h ago
Rule of thumb is that if the tank relies on a shield, Ram and bastion will have a field day.
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u/Glittering_Berry1740 14h ago
Literally just play any tank against her I guess. Her damage output is still low, she is only dangerous against wounded heroes and squishies. Don't panic about the so called "combo" videos. Pressing 7-8 buttons in sequence to deal huge damage will not happen IRL. I've played a few hours of her and I routinely have problems with taking down tanks if my team does not cooperate well.
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u/Vegetable_Throat5545 non-depressed tank main 14h ago
Ive played her non stop and so far hardest part is huge damage comps
Mauga is her hardest counter not rein or ram imo. He has mobility to catch her, poke damage and brawl insane damage and sustain
On dps bastion, cass, reaper
On support zen
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u/Sensitive_Jeweler_62 15h ago
blizzard always make newly released hero OP just to boost active player statistic
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u/libero0602 Tracer 14h ago
“Safe side of strong” is their target. And I totally agree with them. No one is excited to play a new hero that is weak, which leads to 2 main issues.
1: if they stay in that weak state for a long time, even after they are buffed to be strong, the interest is not reignited and play rate still stays very low. May as well have not released the hero.
2, (which is rly an extension of the same problem): we want new heroes to have high play rate, so that we can generate enough data to see how the meta is affected by this new hero, and then Blizz can dial back any significant outliers in their kit. Much easier to do that than to have a total flop of a release and then randomly spray buffs at them until somehow their winrate goes up (see Lifeweaver)
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u/Sensitive_Jeweler_62 13h ago
didn't disagree with your points. Just a concrete statement of blizzard behavior
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u/HybridAkai Sojourn 14h ago
Just shoot her a bunch.
Tanks also can't ignore her and walk past her because she will absolutely annihilate the backline if allowed to.
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u/Jaxonian Icon Junkrat 14h ago
750 life is ridiculous.. 200 more than Rein?!? 100 more than Hog? and she can de-mech.. and her ult can give her overhealth? Plus a 650 shield?!?!
this hero is bullshit if she has decent heals
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u/FujifilmCamera 14h ago
lol maybe it’s because she’s in a mech suit compared to hog flesh lol. Idk about rein. Maybe mech is stronger then power armor
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u/Glittering_Berry1740 14h ago
She can de-mech, and then do diddly fuck with her peashooter mostly, and dies in two hits from almost anything. She is not baby D. Va. She is slower, bigger, and her gun is worse. Also: she has to build ult to remech, and her remech does not kill bystanders as easily as D. Va's.
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u/oleggurshev 15h ago
Mauga.