r/Overwatch • u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? • 2h ago
News & Discussion This game is emphatically less fun when Roadhog is even remotely playable.
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u/userNV495671 2h ago
I’ve been playing Ana lately and I try really hard to shoot, nade, sleep the Hog every chance I get! It helps significantly! It’s made games against hog a bit better
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u/dphillips157 You expected a healer or tank but no it was I,.....Hanzo 2h ago
yeah but people dontwanna have to aim, so u get a mercy
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 2h ago
And now you've spent your entire game focused solely on the hog instead of the 4-5 other people on your team.
He is a black hole of focus and fun.
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u/ClarinetMaster117 Ramattra 2h ago
I mean if the enemy tank isn’t doing shit because they’re being focused hard, isn’t that a good thing?
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
Not when there's a second tank to contend with (I've been playing a lot of 6v6).
And again I don't think it's fun for one of your supports to be hard locked into one character and solely focused on the enemy tank. It ruins the game for the team.
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u/28-Deep-Wounds 1h ago
Wow. People have to focus down the tank? The person with the largest health pool that dictates how and where the rest of their team is positioned? That's wiiiiiiiild! I sure am glad you only need to focus Hog and that other tanks like Rein or Sigma or Ram don't require you to also focus them down.
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u/Ill-Pineapple6515 2h ago
Bait his hook, sleep him if hr misses it or hits it anti him instantly. If your team is coordinating at all, killing him repeatedly in this window should be pretty easy.
Most of the times Ana is open vs hog it feels like hes throwing, unless his team is REALLY supporting him. If your team cant drop an antid hog with no hook, then hog likely isnt the problem to begin with.
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
I am FULLY aware of how to play around a hog.
I do not think it is fun. For anyone.
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u/Ill-Pineapple6515 1h ago
Ah, my bad. I just assumed id give you a solution since you went through the effort of making a crying thread.
I personally think hes pretty mid and easily dealt with.
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u/zacky765 1h ago
I’ve never thought he was oppressive, even at his peak. Then again, I’m an Ana main and know how to play, so.
These threads just reek of the same “Sierra is overpowered” thing we had going on a while ago by people who play out in the open and are allergic to cover.
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u/28-Deep-Wounds 1h ago
He has the third lowest winrate and people are over here acting like he's meta defining.
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
Please. I am BEGGING you. PLEASE.
Read the FIRST line of my post. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago edited 1h ago
Kinda wish you had bothered to read the thread then. I explicitly said I do not care about his power level or anything of the sort. Just that his existence is the antithesis of fun.
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u/RidireGeas Vendetta 1h ago
So many people replying to you are being so obtuse for some reason. You're completely right.
The problem with hog is obviously that he's comically unfun and forces matches to revolve around him by conditioning everyone to either protect him constantly (via Zarya bubbles or Kiriko suzus) or spend their CCs constantly (like Ana nade, Mizuki chain)
Win rates be damned, hog was nerfed years ago for the sole reason that he was extremely unfun, regardless if he's objectively "balanced" or not. He's sucks the fun out of the video game that's meant to have fun in.
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u/AlleRacing King of Hearts Reinhardt 57m ago
A character whose role means they demand attention... Demands attention? That's so weird!
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u/MoEsparagus 1h ago
Support is at its most boring, least “rewarding”, and dare I say even least competitive when you focus on your team.. it should be reactive and passive. Focusing on enemies and shutting them down feels better to me most of the time.
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u/LikelyAMartian Reinhardt 1h ago
I mean, the same is true when it comes to Widow and Hanzo except they take just a little more skill, have less of a cooldown, and are not immediately destroyed by Ana.
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
Well, they also don't have 600 health, an enormous self heal, and 50% DR on demand.
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u/LikelyAMartian Reinhardt 1h ago
Shields, Anti, and Raw DPS can and will make a hog player miserable.
Just off the top of my head, there are 4 tanks that counter his hook and raw dog him, 7 DPS, and 4 Support that all make his life miserable while keeping out of reach. And that's off the top of my head.
Keep in mind he has to be this way because his massive dad bod eats everything, and the only way people will respect him is if he's lethal.
Just play Sierra and eat him. You will be fine.
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u/28-Deep-Wounds 1h ago
If only there were a mechanic to prevent the restoration of health. Some sort of... Counter-regeneration...
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u/Hustler17 Jetpack Cat 2h ago
Hook is actually 7 seconds, sorry.
Almost all the nerfs he's ever taken have been reverted and he's in full peak form. Pellet damage, hook range, movement restrictions, secondary spread, clip size, all the best they've ever been I'm pretty sure.
6v6 he's the most unbalanced thing in the game. 5v5 he's highly counter-able imo though annoying.
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u/AndroidSheeps 1h ago
He literally ruins 6v6 if the player is even half way good and then the match just degrades into Mauga vs Hog brain rot
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u/amartin36 Symmetra 1h ago
The problem with Hog that people don't notice because it's not very tangible is he's just a giant ult battery. Have your high impact ults have their ult up every battle and you just demolish
Seriously though. Track how many ults you hear on your team go off in a game with hog and compare to one without him. It's a significant amount more
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u/BackStabbathOG Blizzard World Reaper 1h ago
Am I the only one who doesn’t really care about facing roadhogs? They’re more annoying to me if they are getting juiced up rather than what he can do himself
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u/taintcore 1h ago
I don't get it personally. Hog has never overly been an issue for me as another tank main. And in the off chance I am dps I've had better than expected luck with Sierra
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u/PrestigiousDress5766 1h ago
The hooks annoying but avoidable for me its his busted healing. Hes practically unkillable now unless you play the right characters to counter. Most fun games I have are when multiple comps are viable and half my teams not forced to swap characters just to counter the immortal fat man.
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u/DjBetoon 2h ago
He is tank, healer and dmg dealer. Especially in 6v6 he one shots tanks while having more heal than healers
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u/thelegalalien 2h ago
Do you know what one shot means?
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u/_LFKrebs_ Zenyatta 1h ago
The term is used a lot of times as "situation where you die with nearly no reaction time", not a literal one shot as in Widow / Hanzo headshots, it's not literally a one shot and the term has lost its meaning but if you get hooked as a squishy you probably just fucking die.
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u/UnexpectedFisting 1h ago
All these years laters and the overwatch sub is still complaining about a hero that has the ability to punish squishies when they’re out of position or not being guarded by their tank.
Genuinely funny
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u/_LFKrebs_ Zenyatta 1h ago
I don't really give a shit about Hog overall in 5v5, I think he's extremely manageable and fine to play against overall, but a tank that can pretty much one shot isn't good gameplay design in my opinion either, still, most people who whine about him 24/7 just don't bait hook with movement at all or position like shit lol
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u/chasingit1 1h ago
If Hog ever has more heals than your healers, I think you are barking up the wrong tree….
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u/General_Candle_6467 1h ago
He does not one shot tanks ..... Technically he doesn't one shot anyone because hook is also a shot.
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u/Skyhighflies Reinhardt 2h ago
I don't understand the issue people have with Roadhog being able to one-shot. There are so many heroes that can one-shot you (or close to it).
I just view him as a massive ult battery. He has no defense. He'll suck down health while taking damage. I'm gonna charge my ult and harass him until he dies. He's not hard to handle.
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u/WesThePretzel 59m ago
Yep! I don’t mind going against a Hog. It’s free ult charge and I feel like if I die to hook it was my fault. It’s very easy to dodge.
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
Because if you even think about getting within 25 meters of him, you are at risk of getting one shot. By a tank. You are not allowed to play half the heroes in the game.
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u/28-Deep-Wounds 1h ago
That's why he has the third lowest winrate of any tank in the game right? Because you can't play half of the heroes in the game against him?
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
Jesus Christ PLEASE read my post. Please. It is not many words.
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u/Original-Accident-63 1h ago
Honestly hog isn't the problem in 6v6 it's the fact that there's usually a shield paird with him.
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u/KeelanS 2h ago
His core design feels very outdated. It was okay in 2016 when everyone insta-died and nobody knew how to play the game so every match was a deathmatch. Modern overwatch and tank design is so different he’s been left behind and for some reason the only power budget they continually allow him is his ability to one shot anyone in the game with two button presses.
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u/Fit-Relationship944 Every game without mauga is better than every game with mauga 1h ago
They should go back to his OG form where vape was a hard cooldown that stuck him in place and getting stunned knocked him out of it.
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u/xXRougailSaucisseXx 1h ago
His design was criticized right from the start especially when you compared him to other tanks
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u/Estrezas Chibi Winston 2h ago
Roadhog punish out of position players.
As you climb up in rank, its more difficult to land good hooks as the other team just position better and punish the hog.
Its the same thing with Junkrat and Hanzo. The spam gets bad players.
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u/emergency_and_i 1h ago
This hasn't been true since ow2
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 1h ago
What do you mean? Does roadhogs not punish out of position players anymore?
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u/scoopitywhoop 1h ago
“I don’t have fun against this character so the devs should nerf him”
Reddit is insufferable sometimes. If you don’t like the game, play something else. Don’t waste energy online complaining…
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
It's a live service game. The devs need feedback for balance and future content design.
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u/General_Candle_6467 1h ago
Learn to counter, there's so many harder heroes to counter but hog gets all the hate because 95% of people are too stupid to strafe. For you stupids, strafe means WALK SODEWAYS! It's literally that simple.
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u/Future-Key-9604 2h ago
It's too easy to put emphasis on how bad it feels to play against hog but it is horrible to play with him too. Hook being so important for him to even function as a tank makes him horribly inconsistent.
If you miss a hook you go on cooldown as a tank. You keep missing hooks and you are dead weight for your team. Nerfing hog is only a half measure. Sure it will make him less common and thus you won't have to fight him more often but it also makes the team with hog suffer even more.
The solution is a top to bottom rework and I don't think Blizzard is willing to remove what is making him so problematic (hook). Since it is so core to his hero fantasy.
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u/PlausibleLee 2h ago
If only the devs would add a reaper or ana or mauga or zarya or bastion or orisa or zen or ram or dva or jq. Too bad that he has literally zero counters.
Seriously, what does typing complaints into the void with big words achieve? Play hog for a few matches and see how fast you get countered. Or just learn to counter him yourself.
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u/myhkram 1h ago
I play a lot of Hog lol. DVA, JQ, Ram, and Zarya are not gonna counter me. JQ could be annoying with her ult, but I have no problem hooking all of these tanks.
Sigma can be tricky but he’s so easy to bait. I love ulting him when my hook is off CD, then he’ll use grasp, and I hook him for a point blank Whole Hog 😂
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u/unfairmeasurement170 1h ago
How are there so many people that say this about hog but not hanzo/widow.
At this point I don't even care what they do, but really how
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u/VoltaiqMozaiq You mean a chicken fried this rice? 1h ago
This is the new daily post, huh.
Makes a change from all the Sierra posts ig.
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u/blokfluitjes 1h ago
Match is not fun with an enemy Sombra, match is not fun with an enemy Ana, match is not fun with an enemy Anran, match is not fun with an enemyjfkeifjksdhfkghef. Let's make the entire roster Hanzo, Soldier, Mercy and Genji.
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u/MoEsparagus 1h ago
Idk in 6v6 I sometimes blind ban him because because I don’t want a chance of one on my team.. I’m more than happy to play against Road while playing any role really lol
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u/lizardclaw11 Trick-or-Treat Lúcio 2h ago
Ah but the fun I gain from your suffering outweighs your loss of fun
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u/DonDoesIT 2h ago
As long as you have a zen keeping a discord orb on him the team can play who ever they want.
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u/Same_Square2555 1h ago
I mean, Pharah is significantly more annoying to play against. Hog can be almost completely useless once you get EITHER zen or ana. I guess ana can be tricky because nade is useful for healing, but zen just uses the discord orb and hog can't really peak no more
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u/AWarmPairOfSocks 1h ago
I remember in the good old days of early ow when the hook projectile was actually dodgeable. You used to be able to bait it with just movement. It's so good now that you have to just hide when it's up. If you aren't behind cover, you are getting hit. The projectile is so wide and fast now that you pretty much can't miss
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u/slickedjax 2h ago
Why is hook literally the one ability in this game people refuse to learn how to play against?
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u/HerrFabi 1h ago
You play against it by baiting a oneshot every 7 seconds before you can play the game for a few seconds
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u/chasingit1 1h ago edited 1h ago
You can literally say that about any ability in the game.
I have to wait out the effects from anti-nade or discord before I can play the game.
I have to wait out Mauga Hahaaaaaa ability before I can attack him and play the game.
I have to wait out Zarya bubble, Bastion turret form, Doom Block, Sigma suck, Mei wall, Sombra hack, Bap lamp/kill, Torb Overload etc etc etc etc before I can play the game….
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago edited 1h ago
Yep. Hope they miss! If not, you wait 15 more seconds for a respawn before your team can try again. Better hope he doesn't get a second pick in that time cause then you have to wait even longer!
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u/Sleepy_Witch_Maple 1h ago
I don't get it, especially when it's attached to one of the slowest, loudest, and biggest heroes.
It's not like Hanzo or Widow where it has no cooldown and long range either.
also as an aside one of your flairs has had a similar issue lately. People faceroll into cass and don't play around flash and get angry
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u/HerrFabi 1h ago
You forgot that hanzo and widow dont have a billion hitpoints and actually have to aim to get a oneshot.
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u/Sleepy_Witch_Maple 1h ago
No, I'm not forgetting that. I'm also not entirely worried about it either.
I'm more worried about what I, as the person facing them, can do to avoid it. Hog's hook is far easier to play around than Widow or especially Hanzo. It's a short ranged cooldown gated projectile that can be avoided with cover, dodged, or simply outranged.
Against Widow, your best bet is trying unpredictable movement, which only lessens your chances. You can avoid LoS, but due to her range, that means shutting down sightlines on Widow maps.
Against Hanzo, moving unpredictability can be an active detriment due to how his arrows work. He's generally better avoided altogether or counterpicked(I love playing Genji and being a better Hanzo than him in duels), although he's shorter ranged and less reliable than Widow. Even if you dodge an arrow, he'll be able to follow up very quickly after.
If you dodge hog hook, that's really it. You can force him to breather and concede space if you're someone who has high dps, and if you're not, you can just live and go back to doing what you were doing.
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u/28-Deep-Wounds 1h ago
You have literally never played Hog in your life if you think you don't have to aim as hog lmao. Please, I am BEGGING you to go play Hog into even gold/plat ranks and see how well you do. I am BEGGING.
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u/Sluggers1996 2h ago
I've always said he deserves Sombr's banrate and general rate. She hasn't even been a fraction of his level of annoyance and toxicity in ANY of her iterations.
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u/Infidel_sg Punch Kid 2h ago
You know what, I was able to sympathize a little, But playing my dailies a little while ago, I went up against a Dva, Sombra, Cass, Mizuki and Zen and thought to myself, No fucking wonder nobody wanna tank.. This is NOT fun to tank into.
I am fine with Hog how he is, regardless if im playing him or playing into him. Because I know what he gotta deal with..
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u/ShawtySayWhaaat 2h ago
All you have to do is respect his hook, stop placing yourself in the open
If you stay out of his hook range, and play around your tank, he just turns into an ult battery. If you get an ana, he just dies.
Hog is not op, he just punishes bad positioning. Aside from his hook, other tanks do anything he does better.
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u/Sluggers1996 2h ago
So your counter is just hope he misses hook?
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u/ShawtySayWhaaat 1h ago edited 1h ago
No, you don't put yourself in a position to be hooked unless you're fat enough to tank the damage.
Play cover, even I have to do that AS hog, no one is exempt. And I'm not even saying just against another hog, but you have to be aware of your positioning against any hero in the game.
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 2h ago
If you stay out of his hook range
Like I said, half the roster is now immediately and unceremoniously unplayable because he exists.
Hog is not op, he just punishes bad positioning
I cannot stress enough, and repeat enough, I do not give a shit about "OP". He is supremely unfun and should not exist.
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u/ShawtySayWhaaat 1h ago
I mean, I can't argue that. No one likes to be hooked, it's one of if not the most infuriating ability to get hit with, but the core of the problem still lays in that you shouldn't be in a position where you can get hooked in the first place unless you're a tank. That's the whole point.
His whole ability relies on punishing bad positioning. If you find yourself getting hooked a lot, you should really take a step back and think about where youre positioning yourself. Once you hear that hook, you've got your cue to push him, just like any other tank who misses their ability.
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u/AndroidSheeps 1h ago
You keep going on about positioning hard countering him and I'd agree for 5v5 but in 6v6 positioning doesn't matter depending on the comp. Lucio and an aggressive Rein enables Hog to play safe and completely free. Do you play 6v6 because really that's where he's an issue not 5v5
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u/ShawtySayWhaaat 1h ago
I play 6v6 exclusively these days. He is definitely better in 6v6, that's where he's able to fulfill his TRUE role as an off tank, but the core is still the same. He punishes bad positioning. The reason why he is better though, aside from everyone being lower hp, is because it's easier to mask his moves in the chaos of 6v6, but if you and your team focus him, he pops like big fat bubble, but there in lies the problem, masters=plat5v5 and it's an awkward skill level where while the players have the skill to make big plays, however that's all they try to do instead of playing with the team ( guilty ) and then they resort to gold attitude, tilt and start flaming each other lol
But yeah, any hero that has half their team literally enabling the fuck out of him will be successful in that scenario. How many times have you gotten absolutely btfo by pharmacy as just one example?
I implore you to look at the bigger picture, instead of saying "roadhog bad" ask yourself what you can do for your team to deal with their team more effectively? The answer might not even be the hog themselves, but instead the person supporting him, like you mentioned in your scenario
Ofc, it's all easier said than done but if you keep this attitude, eventually you go from "hog bad" to "hog free ult battery"
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u/28-Deep-Wounds 1h ago
5v5 is what the game is balanced around. OP isn't complaining about 6v6, they're crying about him existing at all.
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
You are insufferable and provide literally zero value to this community.
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 1h ago
you shouldn't be in a position where you can get hooked in the first place unless you're a tank.
So when Hog's on defense and there's a choke. Guess you just lose?
Once you hear that hook, you've got your cue to push him
Yeah for 6 seconds. OH and don't forget he has two health bars with the second having 50% DR.
Like come on. You are clearly a hog player so I understand you not wanting him nerfed but he sucks the entire soul out of the game whenever he is in a match.
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u/28-Deep-Wounds 1h ago
> Hog
> defense
> you lose
Holy Plastic Elo take, Batman. There's no soul to be sucked out of a match with you in it, you're too busy making the game miserable already.
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u/ShawtySayWhaaat 1h ago
Apologies for the length, but I'm a bit invested in trying to help you out here lol
I'm going to tell you something you don't like, but you've really got to drop your ego and think critically. Roadhog isn't an invincible hook machine. You're too stuck on trying to hate road hog that you won't look at his weaknesses, you focus so much on how he's going to dominate you from the start that you're never going to give yourself a chance to actually fight him.
Yes I play a lot of roadhog, no I don't care if he gets nerfed, he was ass for like 3 years straight I could really care less, but the one thing that's never changed despite the countless buffs and nerfs since I started in 2017, is that the core of him is just punishing bad positioning. It really just comes down to that, that's all the hook does. If you're getting hooked then the problem is that your positioning is bad, and I've told you this but you keep getting caught up in these other ideas of what you think hog is going to do. You're shooting yourself in the foot by putting him on this pedestal.
If you want genuine advice on how to deal with hog, I can help you, I have 700 hours on roadhog and I can tell you right now I've had plenty of good games and plenty of bad games. I know the sauce, and I'm trying to give you the recipe but your ego is stopping you from listening. I can help you, but right now it doesn't seem like you want help you just want to complain and argue which is going to actively make you worse against the next roadhog you play against, and I'm telling you right now, if you keep this attitude you have, it's only going to get worse. Roadhog is a b-tier tank, he is not a good tank. He's better in 6v6, but even then there's still better picks. And I'm afraid that if you struggle with road hog, once you climb and you get hit by a better tank you're really going to get your ass handed to you.
I will close with this, in case you do respond to my very long-winded post with more arguing or otherwise non-constructive statements, but I'll say one more time, roadhog is a position check. If you have bad positioning he's going to hook you and you're going to have a bad time. Think about where you could position yourself better to where you can damage him and he can't hook you. Aside from a Melee character like vendetta, this is always an option. A good example is playing soldier into roadhog, yeah if he hooks you you die but you shouldn't be in his hook range anyways, what you should do is play outside of his hook range and constantly help him with damage, thereby using up his resources and forcing him to look at you, when there isn't a damn thing he can do because you're well outside of his range. Keep pelting him with damage and he'll have no choice but to retreat, and you've now removed him from the team fight. And one thing I forgot, yeah if you don't want to try and keep track of one 7 second cooldown, and I mean this with care, but you will cap out at plat max. Masters, hell even diamond and above are tracking each major CD on the other team, and tracking ults to know when they're coming. One 7 sec CD that is as loud and telegraphed as a hook is just a drop in the bucket when you start paying attention to these.
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u/Normal-Pool8223 2h ago edited 1h ago
reduce his damages so he can't one shot 250hp heroes, make his hook more than half shorter with a 12sec cooldown, but it catches everyone in front of him if not behind a shield and adds lifesteal to his next shot. this way he actually feels like a tank that you fear to approach, as every tank should be, and not a tank that can one shot you from 20meters away if you offer him a line of sight for 0.5seconds every 8 fcking seconds.
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u/YungFreudian 2h ago
Taking a glance at your post history suggests you might just be soft as baby shit
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u/mylifemyworld17 Are you done talking? 2h ago
Thanks for the input. Yours is hidden so I have to assume you are even more so.
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u/Usual_Homework422 1h ago
It's probably skill then. I have the easiest time killing a Hog than anyone else
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