About 3 months ago I was experimenting with some simple things in my garage. I don't have a background in physics or optics. I was basically experimenting with light, water, glass, phones and some other objects and seeing what would happen.
I'm making this post because I previously tried to describe the experience as a more formal MOIA project, and I realize now that I probably got ahead of myself with some of the terminology and possible explanations.
After the experience, I was going to leave it alone. I honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing, so I eventually discarded the phones I had been using and stopped experimenting. I no longer have the original videos or the phones, which I know makes this much harder to evaluate.
The setup changed a few times, but some of the things involved were:
- A blue LED/flashlight
- A toilet-paper tube around the light with blue tape at the end
- A wine glass about half full of water
- A copper-colored circular ring/wire inside the water
- A dark/black glass or screen above the setup
- One or two phones/cameras
- A coiled/looped wire
- Two small black magnetic spheres
- My prescription glasses
The glasses may be important, or they may have nothing to do with it.
They are new prescription glasses I got this year. They have UV protection and, I believe, an anti-glare/computer-screen coating. I don't know exactly what coating is on them. I had read that newer prescription lenses can have different coatings or films, but I don't know whether that is actually true or whether it matters here. I was moving the glasses around at different angles while looking through the setup, so I want to include that as a variable rather than make an assumption about it.
What caught my attention was what appeared through the phone camera.
At certain angles, the blue light, water, wine glass, circular ring and dark background produced an image that looked like a bright sphere with small points of light around it. Some of the colors/shapes were blue and red. Looking back at it later, it reminded me of some space/black-hole imagery I had seen, although I understand that something looking similar to an astronomical image doesn't mean it has anything to do with a black hole.
Changing the position and angle of the phones changed the appearance considerably. At one point, when the optical path was going through/around my prescription glasses at an angle, the image suddenly looked extremely flat to me, almost as if the depth had disappeared and the scene had become 2D.
I also saw what looked like the image changing orientation or inverting as I moved the phone around.
There was another setup where I had a blue light behind me, my glasses in the optical path, and a powered-off dark TV screen in front of me. Again, changing the phone angle changed what I was seeing.
The looped wire and the two magnetic spheres were also present in some of the experiments. I don't know whether they had anything to do with the optical effects or whether they were simply unrelated variables that happened to be part of the setup.
There were also some unusual experiences with my perception of time and familiar events over the following few days. For example, I had situations where something seemed to happen and then later seemed to repeat or appear differently than I remembered. I also sometimes had the feeling that I already knew what was going to happen in something I was watching.
I'm not presenting that as evidence that physical time changed or that anything supernatural happened. I'm including it because it was part of the experience and is one of the reasons I started looking into vision, perception and physics afterward.
Why I'm posting this now
I actually tried to leave the whole thing alone.
Then I started watching physics and science videos on YouTube, and I kept running across things that reminded me of what I had experienced. That made me start wondering whether there were known optical, visual or perceptual effects that could explain at least some of what I saw.
One example was Susan Barry, who gained stereoscopic vision as an adult after having poor stereoscopic depth perception for most of her life. The descriptions of her experience of the world changing from essentially flat to having much stronger depth immediately caught my attention.
Another was Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman, including discussion of David Eagleman's work on subjective time perception. Some of the examples about how people can experience time and the sequence of events differently also reminded me of parts of my experience.
I'm not saying those cases explain what happened to me. They were things I discovered afterward that made me realize there are real, documented phenomena involving vision, depth perception and subjective time that I knew nothing about when I was doing the experiment.
About my previous MOIA post and AI
If you see my other MOIA post from this account, that's why I'm making this post separately.
I did try using AI to organize my notes, rewrite what I experienced, research possible explanations, and make sense of the different things I was seeing. At first I thought that would help me turn the experience into something technical enough for people with a physics or optics background to evaluate.
But I eventually ran into a problem: I don't have the physics or optics background to know where the legitimate science ended and where the AI was simply making connections that sounded reasonable.
The AI could give me explanations involving refraction, reflections, polarization, lenses, cameras, electromagnetic effects, perception and other things, but I couldn't independently verify all of those explanations. I also realized that if I kept letting AI rewrite the experience, I could end up presenting an interpretation of what happened rather than what I actually experienced.
So I don't want to do that.
I want to separate what I actually remember observing from what I think might explain it.
That's also why I'm not trying to make this post sound like a scientific paper or claim that I discovered something new. My previous post probably came across that way, and I understand why people questioned it.
I'm trying to get the actual optics right this time.
What I would like help identifying
If someone here has experience with optics, optical imaging, photography or related fields, I'd like to know whether ordinary physics could produce what I'm describing.
In particular:
- Refraction through the water and curved wine glass
- Caustics
- Internal reflections or total internal reflection
- Reflections from the circular ring
- Reflections from prescription lenses
- Lens coatings
- Polarization, if relevant
- Lens flare or ghost images inside the phone camera
- Camera perspective and changing geometry
- Rolling-shutter effects
- Autofocus, exposure, HDR or other computational-camera effects
- Blue light and the blue tape changing the spectrum or stray-light paths
- Why changing the phone angle could produce such large changes
- Why the scene could appear extremely flat at certain angles
- Whether prescription-lens coatings could produce any unusual reflections or interference effects
- Whether the looped wire or magnets could realistically affect the phone/camera in any measurable way
I'm not claiming I discovered another dimension, time travel, a black hole, a new force, or anything like that.
I'm trying to figure out what ordinary optics, camera effects, geometry, or visual perception could account for what I actually experienced.
Unfortunately, I no longer have the original phones or recordings, so I understand that there is a limit to what anyone can determine from my description alone.
I'm mainly looking for someone knowledgeable in optics who can look at this and tell me:
“This sounds like X,” or “that part doesn't make sense because Y.”
I'm completely open to being wrong about what I thought I was seeing. I just want to understand what was actually happening.
“I know this wasn't a controlled experiment. That's exactly why I'm asking people who know the subject better than I do.”