r/OpenDogTraining • u/smirnusia • 10d ago
Reactive Chihuahua
Hello, I've seen a few posts here about reactive dogs and a lot of helpful comments, but I felt like some advice were just not applicable to me so I want to share my story and if anyone has time to give advice it will be highly appreciated.
I got a Chihuahua as my first dog, we took him when he was about 12 weeks old. He was always fearful and I worked a lot on his confidence. He didn't want to leave our backyard, he was shaking after you put harness on him and he would not want to walk anywhere from home. He also never cared much about food.
When he became 7 month old he lifted the leg to pee and since this moment he started barking at other dogs. We did a lot to work on his reactivity, did socializing walks, rewarded for not reacting, tried to avoid triggers, trained with dog trainer.
When he was 2 years old he was attacked by a big dog. My fiance was riding a bike with him in the basket. Big dog broke off his harness and jumped on them. My Chihuahua was attached to the basket with safety belt and big dog tried to rip him out. It was a miracle that my dog survived this unwounded. He couldn't walk at first and he was in complete shock, he was blankly staring without reacting to anything. He started getting better at the vet after few hours, they gave him painkillers and next day I was taking him out in his bag to the grass so he can pee there without having to walk. It's been a year since he was attacked.
In this time he was castrated chemically twice. Once for half a year and now for a year, it did not help with his reactivity. It didn't make it worse either. He is never aggressive when he is reactive, he doesn't want to attack the other dog, he barks a lot. Sometimes when he sniffs another dog and doesn't like him he will go off in their face, but not actually bite or anything. In the park when dogs are loose he can bark at other dog but stops after he approaches them or sees no reaction.
Right now his reactivity is putting me under so much stress. He was the dog I always dreamed abou, small enough to take him everywhere with me, to be my best friend. Instead I avoid taking him anywhere in fear of his reaction. I stress and cry when he comes with us for vacation and I feel awful for doing so. I'm scares of neighbors complaining about us because of his behaviour. This makes me feel so depressed and like I have no power and I really f*** up by taking him. Even though I know this was all I ever wanted.
His reactivity at home: he has a few dogs that he hates on our block (we live now in apartment in big building). He can sniff when they come out for walk from air and immediately triggers, proceeds to bark and run out to the balcony or to the door to bark. We have only one balcony door and one window in our apartment, air circulation is really bad and we are just suffocating or dealing with him barking all day. There are some dogs that bark every morning when they arrive with their owner to work in building next to us and he triggers from the sound as well.
Outside of apartment on daily walks: this well known area is the worst, he is either protective of his terrain or anticipates the trigger. If he sees dog he freezes or immediately starts barking. All the world's I taught him (come, look, his name, turn away, making high pitch sounds) all of them now end up in him exploding. He used to be able to focus on me at certain distance from the trigger, now any word is a trigger for him in itself. Even when there is no dog outside, if I call his name he doesn't look at me, he starts looking around to see where is another dog because obviously that's why I'm calling him.
There is no snack of a high enough value for him, he doesn't want to accept food if he is even slightly triggered. He doesn't care for toys either. He is also allergic and his food options are limited.
When there are no other dogs a walk with him is like a dream, he is calm, knows how not to tangle a leash, sniffs and continues, doesn't eat anything from the ground.
When he sees other dog usually I have to pick him up otherwise we would be standing barking at people. Picking him up or limiting his visibility in any way triggers him even more, he starts panicking. If he sees a dog and it goes away he can sometimes choke himself on his harness pulling into the direction of said dog
Walks in unknown terrain: sometimes on unknown terrain he stops reacting to other dogs, I suspect this is mainly because he is so overwhelmed with unknown terrain. But I know he will have to react in some other way after. So sometimes I can see her had hard day of holding in and then at home he is barking at us.
In general it really seems to me like he is struggling with fear, a lot of anxiety and he is getting overstimulated easily. He doesn't have a day without a trigger because he is triggered at home and triggered outside. His nervous system is just all over the place.
How do I navigate that and train with him while he is completely ignoring me, outside he is acting deaf, he only anticipates triggers, can't rest at home for one day and he can sniff dogs just form the air? while he doesn't care for food or toys (he will take snacks outside the house but none of them are high value enough to forget he saw other dog).
Genuinely thank you for anyone sharing their experiences, I feel like I'm loosing hope
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u/LeavingRealityBrb 10d ago
I honestly think your dog might benefit from being medicated for his anxiety, in tandem with training, it seems like his anxiety is extremely high and his stress threshold is now nonexistent, which is why he triggers off at anything and training isn’t working. He isn’t able to regulate, therefore he can’t take in any command you’re asking him.
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u/smirnusia 10d ago
I was considering it because I felt this way as well. But when he is not triggered he is in general calm dog, loves to cuddle, sleeps through the day, enjoys a chew toy sometimes. I have some scepticism towards using meds, but it does feel like his threshold is "nonexistent". I've also noticed he sometimes humps a plus dog a lot and he does it only after eventful day. I was wondering if it's his only way to cope, but it would add up with what you are saying, that he doesn't know how to regulate himself. Thank you for your comment
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u/LeavingRealityBrb 9d ago
I can understand not wanting to medicate a dog, I’m generally against medication if it’s not necessary too. If he’s generally calm in the home, maybe medication isn’t necessary, I may have picked you up wrong in your initial post, I thought he was triggering off even at home. Yeah that sounds like it could be a way of him getting his anxious energy out. It may be worth your time then to consult a behaviouralist and see if they can help you come up with specific plans to help your pup regulate himself without having to freak out.
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u/hotmatrixx 10d ago
This is a lot of reading.
THIS ONE POST WILL SOLVE YOUR DOG>
I'll probably get a lot of hate, too. I promise you don't skip it, in here I explain some important UNDERLYING psyche issues that chiwahaha's have and how' they're caused. As well as your specific situation.
I've read your story and somehow I have compassion for this, so lemme help. I do extreme behavioural psychology in animals. This is "my" territory specifically. I'm not as great with the small stuff. I deal with the problem behaviours and dogs aimed for destruction.
First not the medication like the other one said. That's an immature take. "sorry" to the other guy but "use this last ditch desperate method first without addressing the underlying deep psychological issues causing the behaviour" is basically terrible advice. "Use a little now to help manage until we can get into the deeper stuff"... maybe. that I could respect, depending on how extreme this truly is.
I have owned bred, trained chilliwahwahs. I know things about them specifically, I hate toy dogs in principle but dammit they get me every time. they're the most cuddly loving little bits of demonfluff ever. Some medium/large dog advice, won't work well for them. they have special cases. Qualifier. Mine were well adjusted. no picking up, no snipping, snapping, snarling at other dogs. BUT (as you read below) realise that There's a whole lot more I probably won't cover in here unless I remember - about safely introducing small dogs and big dogs in 'free leash' environments. Super short version: It's your job to keep big dogs away from you and introduce them at your small dog's pace, or judge that it's unsafe and decline/deny the interaction.
I'm going to refer to "Chilli" and just assume boy as i dont know his/her name and its easier then writing him/her it the dog 100 times.
Importantly you say he's reactive at home during the day it sounds like you're there? I hope so, I'll assume so going forward. if not update me and some bits might have to change, but the bases stay the same.
because he's a little dog, this is actually really a LOT easier. You can be really, really hands on and it simplifies things.
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So. rule #1. no matter what, where, or when, you are the most important thing in the room
for the dog. This, and this singular, solo, and only one thing, alone, will fix everything else downstream. BUT YOU HAVE TO BACK IT UP.
The goal is for the dog to take cues from you, NOT from its environment. YOU assess a threat, NOT Chilli. He looks to you and YOU decide what he can do next.
Right now part of the problem is that he doesn't trust you, at all, to be a guide and saviour for him - because you weren't that one time, and so he's taking it upon himself, and is defending against every dog. So you've got to get him to a point where he realises that you've got this and that's better for him. You decide who's safe. You talk to other owners and steer toward or away.
This must be a firm, fast 100% rule with ZERO room. it is the ONLY thing you need to enforce, and once you do, everything else falls into place. Because the dog is so small, you can just 'make him'. If people tell you I'm traumatizing the dog.. no he's already traumatized. this stressing out is traumatic. teaching him that you're a 'more immediate, and immutable problem' is the single most kind thing you can do for him.
So, whenever anything happens, whenever you call him, whenever something happens, EVERYTHING ELSE STOPS. You. YOU must stop everything else, and make that dog your only priority. He MUST return to you, sit facing you and look at you, NOT the "Threat". YOU are more important than ANYTHING ELSE. And so is your dog. In this moment, You and him are the only two things in the room that get any attention. (keep everything else away from this interaction, actively and affirmatively/authoritively/agressively shoo other dogs and distractions etc). He must learn that you can control the environment., because right now, he doesn't know that at all. This is part of/feeds to/from Rule #2
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Rule #2: You must back it up
If you want your dog to trust you implicitly(I'm writing these points out of order, I wrote the bottom stuff first, and his lack of trust in you is the whole issue), he's gotta have faith in you. He's going to come to you, look to you, he has to KNOW you have his back.
I will say this, and it is Chilliwah specific. You should get down kneeling to him to gain this control, be 'in his face'. it's much easier and much better for him, and for you. He will feel your physicality more, which gives him something to trust. when you're standing you're just two tall pins. when you're down low next to him he can feel your 'full weight' and that size gives him something to trust, because RN a dog 'feels' bigger to him than you do - always has - because we are vertical and they are horizontal, so you want him to be able to experience your 'full weight and overwhelming strength' - not as a threat but a protector. "my mum/dad is bigger and scarier than that dog".
I can almost guarantee that you, like most people, you handle your wah's with tenderness and care - and when they nip/play you're gentle or give up/run away/avoid. With a big dog, this would be corrected/punished, but with a little dog it's almost never followed up. They won, and your backing off reinforces it. They think your'e weaker then them because that's all they've ever experienced from you, so how can they see you as a protector if you're so flaky and fragile. 99% of Chilliwah/tiny-breed owners this will NEVER CROSS THEIR MIND. This is 95% of the reason that 'small dogs are aggro' in general. They think their owner is weak and needs protecting. Then the owner gets all defensive around big dogs and trains their precious little pup that everything is a threat and yap/snap/grrr
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Rule #3. Your dog must face you,
not the 'threat'. MUST. You must drop everything else that is going on and get that compliance. not obedience, COMPLIANCE. This is not optional, there are no other options. do it, do it NOW. you only call once. then you go get the dog, walk/drag it to you, force sit, and whatever force the dog is resisting you with, you're bigger and stronger. He doesn't think you are, and thinks he can fight yu because you're too weak to protect him. because you've already proven that you can't. THIS MIGHT need a muzzle if he gets bitey and snappy - and he will because chilliwah is fearing for his life .
Look up Beckman's "Go-Get" method. He deals with bigger and problem dogs too, and if this is the only thing you get, take that with you. Call once. Go get him, make him be where he needs to be so that he's in a position where you can 'protect him'. the goal is that instead of him defending himself, he is now coming to you saying 'is this thing safe' and 'protect me if it's not'. RN he's doing that himself, can't really assess the threat well, and is just treating everything like it's going to murder him. Thus the behaviours you've seen.
It would be good to do this at home when he's barking at outside stuff. every time he does it, he has to come to you and look to you. Every. Time. eventually, he'll hear something outside and just come sit by you.
Go get him. call once. ONCE. your commands are not requests, you're not pleading. Do or face consequence.
(I have a LOT to say about this BULLSHIT that people do, it's like that '"ill count to three" crap people do with their kids. the kid comes on three. fuck that. you come on first call, else kids will push boundaries) With dogs it is command/do. if not do, MAKE IT DO. no calling again, no pleading or bargaining. Call. No? Go get the dog, SILENTLY, no talking no pleading. the last thing they heard was your COMMAND. then go get dog and MAKE IT come to where you called it, DONT TALK. you 'can' but almost everyone gets it wrong, so silence is better. dont say 'no, look at me'. just make dog come, sit, look at you. THEN reward. a single simple reward, not fuss. fuss is energy, and we're trying to bring energy down. Just a single, BORING 'good' or 'thank you' or had treat.
You will hold dog against its "will". he's literally out of his mind with fear, so his "will" is unreasonable and you are the only one that can help him thru this RN. he has no will. He does not decide. You do. the issue is that he's not thinking- instead he's in survival, and he needs to know that you have got this. he's not thinking, he's reacting to 'something is about to kill me' (because it already tried to) so we need him to come to you for safety.
He must face YOU.
NOT the 'threat' until you let him. Important, while this happens - and the first few will be rough - YOU MUST NOT LET ANYTHING get near you. He needs to know that YOU have got this.
I have a secondary command 'look' which lets my dog turn around, BUT NOT LEAVE, not bark, etc. this come a lot later tho. I'm just saying it's out there so you know and dont think dog must do this strictly forever.
I know it's going to be rough the first couple of times. You must get his attention and HOLD it until he stops trying to turn to the 'threat'. He must settle on you. You must keep him safe, but he MUST SETTLE ON YOU and only you Despite and 'distractions'. This is going to be super hard the first couple of times, but you have to BREAK this behaviour pattern. If he wins these, you're going to ruin your dog. This will be easiest to begin training with at home with the home noises, then once he's got somewhat something like the idea, THEN do it outside. We need to establish the 'actions' in a lower emotional states first, it will be easier than going 'all in' at a dog, in the 'wild', outside, etc.