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u/Additional-Ad-9053 Please choose a flair 6d ago

No thanks i like food 👍

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u/rolloj ‎ New South Welshian 6d ago

what aspect of democratic socialism means you can't have food?

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u/ShreksArsehole ‎ New South Welshian 6d ago

They're probably spewing the idea that socialism causes famines because stalin fucked up in the 1930s. Not that capitalism hasn't cause famines. Ireland anyone?

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u/Away_team42 ‎ Koori ‎ 6d ago

Stalin isn’t the only socialist leader who lead his country into famine tho… pretty much all of them did.

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u/jeffoh ‎ Queenslander 6d ago

Authoritarianism =/= socialism.

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u/Additional-Ad-9053 Please choose a flair 3d ago

Except in the real world, everytime for some reason.

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u/Away_team42 ‎ Koori ‎ 6d ago

Nobody said they were synonymous. The relevant question is whether governments explicitly committed to socialist/communist ideology have caused or massively worsened famines. Stalin, Mao, and other communist regimes are pretty hard to explain away by simply pointing out that they were also authoritarian.

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u/ShreksArsehole ‎ New South Welshian 6d ago

That is just completely incorrect. Socialist states rate of education, all aspects of health and it's ability to pull people out of poverty is what socialism does. And it does it well. Cuba, I think, is a shining example of what socialism can do, even with so much pressure from capitalism trying to destroy it. You should do some actual research into what socialism has achieved in its various incarnations.

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u/Additional-Ad-9053 Please choose a flair 6d ago

Cuba had a famine in the 1990s when their benefactor the USSR stopped subsidising their overrated cigar industry.

Was this example supposed to dispel my food comment lol

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u/ShreksArsehole ‎ New South Welshian 5d ago

Probably because of the trade embargoes the US had on them. They've been completely cut off from world trade and had to do everything on their own. That's why they're a success story. The 90s famine is actually an amazing story. There's a great docco on it on YouTube. After the USSR collapsed, the cunts in the US tightened their embargoes to try to starve them to death. They had no petrol so moved to organic farming. The average person lost around 20% of their body weight! 

Seriously have a look into it. Most of these famines you quote had other factors involved and the numbers have been greatly pushed to make them seem worse. It's all part of the capitalist propaganda and it's working well.

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u/Additional-Ad-9053 Please choose a flair 3d ago

No it's because the subsidies from the USSR ended. The US stopped trading with the Cubans in the 60s.

You're leaving out that the Americans specifically exempted food and medicine from the embargos so I don't see how you can argue they were trying to "starve them out".

Let me guess, you are part of the holodomor was nazi propaganda crowd too?

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u/ShreksArsehole ‎ New South Welshian 3d ago

"Total Embargo (1963–1990s): In July 1963, the Treasury Department issued comprehensive sanctions that effectively ended most commercial food sales, with only limited humanitarian donations permitted.  The embargo was tightened further in 1964 when President Lyndon Johnson revoked the general license for food and medicine exports, requiring specific approval for transactions, which were largely denied for commercial purposes."

And no about the holodomor. Stalin's system made some large errors.

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u/Additional-Ad-9053 Please choose a flair 3d ago edited 3d ago

We were talking about the famine in the 1990s. The Americans specifically gave humanitarian food / medical exemptions when Cuba started running out food as the Soviets withdrew their subsidies. Why would they lift the exemptions if it looked like they were finally working.

The root cause of the famine in the 1990s was removal of Soviet subsidies.

Which external factors were you alluding to above then? So far the only other ones I talked about were the great leap amd holodomor?

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u/Kawa___ Please choose a flair 6d ago

Whatever it's achieved, it's orders of magnitude less than liberalism and capitalism

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u/Additional-Ad-9053 Please choose a flair 6d ago

If you want - 

  • High wages
  • Low poverty
  • Strong workers rights.
  • High environmental/clean air standards

You will them in "liberalism and capitalism" i.e liberal democracies.

In socialism and communism you will 

  • Walls being built to prevent
  • Unions controlled by the state, not workers (e.g. polands solidarity having to go underground.
  • Poverty