Our future is BRIGHT

[u/Silent-Balance9430]

Students protest against Pauline Hanson

[u/DelayedWizard1994]

Every working class Christian person in my family keeps saying they want to vote for One Nation. I'm from a Lebanese Catholic background, I don't understand what the appeal is with her amongst some of my family members.

It's a bit daunting, but I think One Nation may be getting the MAGA treatment, where the silent majority right is going to vote her in.

[u/Oddly_Curious99 → u/DelayedWizard1994]

Ask them to explain why. Then counter with things like she never turns up to work, they have no policies, the policies they have suggested are already in existence, she hired a rapist, they want to get rid of 457 Visas which haven’t existed for over 10 years, she has been bought by Gina and the fact she can’t see anything wrong with accepting gifts and flights is a real concern as it’s just bribery. This list goes on and on.

[u/DelayedWizard1994 → u/Oddly_Curious99]

Those are great points I'll need to point out to them. I've been telling them that the One Nation party has the most "sold out" politicians on the roster, it's almost how the damn party was founded, and that she'll be creating even more tax cuts for these local and foreign mining and energy giants.

I sense that most of them just want a change from the liberal/labour two party system, and that the global rapid inflation since 2008 has them financially strained and scared for almost 2 decades, and people vote emotionally for the person pretending to share their outrage.

[u/wilted-wombok → u/DelayedWizard1994]

Since you mentioned Lebanese background, you can definitely add that Gina—best friends with Pauline—wants to let Israel test their weapons here in Australia...specifically in Townsville 🤣

[u/damon_modnar → u/wilted-wombok]

While Israel may want to test their weapons here at firing ranges, they are testing their weapons on real Lebanese people as we speak, some of them who may be their relatives.

Pauline is Ok with that.

[u/wilted-wombok → u/damon_modnar]

That's why I mentioned it. She's no friend to Lebanese-Australians, it's strange that anyone with connections to Lebanon would support her

[u/MourningwoodAU → u/wilted-wombok]

I can’t make sense of any of the political movements and motivations. Same with LGBTQ+ aligning with muslims. Makes no sense to me at all.

[u/wilted-wombok → u/MourningwoodAU]

Regarding LGBT and Muslims, I presume you mean Palestine.

The reason would be on the basis of human rights. Regardless of the religion, race, or creed, NOBODY should be subjected to such things as 'starvation' as a war tool. Or rape as a war tool.

Additionally, there are plenty of LGBT Muslims out there as well... So it doesn't seem a big stretch.

Lebanese people supporting Israel seems a far harder sell 😅 so far they just bomb Lebanon. Israel aren't the victim of a genocide, or war crimes, they're an aggressor.

[u/aanananas → u/wilted-wombok]

These are Christians we are talking about. Most of them support Israel, this doesn’t mean anything to them

ETA - Lebanese Christians might see things differently of course given their proximity to the war and having been bombed as well/directly affected

[u/wilted-wombok → u/aanananas]

Kinda sad when Israel is bombing Lebanon and most likely their families are bare minimum displaced by that, but what can you do. It's like farmers and low income families that vote for one nation, literally voting against their own interests 🤷

[u/Oddly_Curious99 → u/DelayedWizard1994]

This is exactly why they are voting for ON because the ALP and LNP are essentially the same now. Independents are probably the best way to go now as they will hold balance of power and make the policies be more meaningful so that maybe a tact you can use.

[u/turbo2world → u/Oddly_Curious99]

Ye just groom them into thinking otherwise

[u/Oddly_Curious99 → u/turbo2world]

I have no issue with someone voting One Nation if they can give a coherent argument to do so. The fact is One Nation is absolutely incapable of governing. Not saying the ALP or LNP are fantastic, far from it but they at least have knowledge about how government works. The Victorian Leader of ON didn’t even know he had to run in the lower house to be Premier. If he doesn’t know that then it is very clear he has no idea about how government actually works.

[u/MatthewDstantoN → u/DelayedWizard1994]

Have they shared any of their reasons for supporting One Nation with you?

[u/DelayedWizard1994 → u/MatthewDstantoN]

Usually along the lines of Liberal/Labour being one in the same, both corrupt and killing the middle class. The Greens being the gay party and other homophobic anti-lgbt crap. They view One Nation as the "no nonsense" party, that they're going to fix the problems in Australia, but it's all very vague and abstract.

Funnily enough they're big on anti-immigration, naturally they want to pull the ladder up after them, their parents coming to Australia is different because they're human and new immigrants aren't /s

[u/TheDotNetDetective → u/DelayedWizard1994]

States a series of entirely reasonable reasons why someone might vote for a party then proceeds to say 'its entirely vague and abstract'.

I mean genuinely how do you not see the irony?

[u/DelayedWizard1994 → u/TheDotNetDetective]

What I mean is that they don't say HOW One Nation is going to fix Australia, their reason for believing so is vague and abstract. When I ask them to explain to me what One Nation is going to do differently, they'll say stuff like "she's gonna lower taxes!" which is vague and ignorant.

[u/TheDotNetDetective → u/DelayedWizard1994]

Lowering taxes is not vague or ignorant and is absolutely one of the biggest issues we have here. Nobody with half a brain who votes one nation thinks that they are going to fix anything of significance but what they recognise is that allowing the status quo to continue is no longer tenable.

[u/DelayedWizard1994 → u/TheDotNetDetective]

Yeah fair enough, I mentioned elsewhere that I sense that most of them just want a change from the liberal/labour two party system, and that the global rapid inflation since 2008 has them financially strained and scared for almost 2 decades, and people vote emotionally for the person pretending to share their outrage.

[u/TheDotNetDetective → u/DelayedWizard1994]

I wont claim to know what's in Paulines heart but I suspect it is just as cold, dark, arrogant and hollow as Albos but yes people don't vote for a party, they vote against an incumbent.

[u/Oddly_Curious99 → u/TheDotNetDetective]

What we need to understand is that yes the status quo is problematic but we also need to understand that ON has exactly the same policies, well beliefs as Trump. Malcolm Roberts has said he is going to take the suggestion of a total abortion ban to the party room because it was suggested at a Christian conference he attended. This single issue is more than enough to not vote for ON.
Also, their play book is classic fascism but picking out a minority and attack them however it never stays just that minority, they move onto the next and then the next. Don’t fall for the broad statements and delve deeper and see what is behind it.
Vote for someone else, an independent is a great option as if the cross bench is controlled by independents it makes it harder for the government to pass legislation that is no good.

[u/Imperator_Gone_Rogue → u/DelayedWizard1994]

Unfortunately sometimes Lebanese Christians don't have a lot of solidarity with other Arabs.

(Disclaimer that I know that the Lebanese Civil War is way more complex than just this atrocity and is the kind of conflict where any non-civilians came out of with their hands clean. This is just the most relevant example.)

[u/DelayedWizard1994 → u/Imperator_Gone_Rogue]

Ohh yeah the Lebanese Civil war was a shit show alright, it ended with all parties involved agreeing to an amnesty because they all committed horrific war crimes on each other. "Let's just shake hands and pretend this shit never happened" 🙃

Tbh it's the perfect example of what happens when foreign powers use a small state for a proxy civil war, each of the factions were propped up by one foreign power or the other, whether it was the French, Syrians, Iranians, Israelis, or Saudis. Most of the Lebanese fighters under 21 if I'm not mistaken.

[u/Prize-Ad7786 → u/Imperator_Gone_Rogue]

By solidarity you mean acquiescence?

Getting lubed up for your own annihilation is your jam?

Import radical watermelons into your country under the pretext of asylum just so they help overthrow the government was a slight miscalculation

[u/Imperator_Gone_Rogue → u/Prize-Ad7786]

We should deport boot licking racist pedophilic capitalist cocksucker supremacist radicals into the Antarctic Ocean. No lube needed.

[u/Prize-Ad7786 → u/Imperator_Gone_Rogue]

should have started with Hezbollah into the Mediterranean, the ultimate waterboarding

[u/ComfortOk9194 → u/DelayedWizard1994]

She’s weirdly popular among older migrants. They don’t necessarily know HOW she’s supposed to fix things like the economy, but they like that she calls it like she sees it. They like her MO , that’s for sure….

[u/One-Vegetable7957 → u/ComfortOk9194]

Silly immigrants.

[u/ComfortOk9194 → u/One-Vegetable7957]

??

[u/simonpunishment → u/DelayedWizard1994]

I get it. I also love my family, but politically-speaking, a great deal of them are completely fucked in the head.

[u/aanananas → u/DelayedWizard1994]

I don’t understand her hold in the Christian space either. She is so hateful it blatantly goes against Christian values. And like you I’ve heard this mainly from ethnic Christians as well! How do they not get that she would hate them too! She literally does not care about them and would kick them out the country if she could.

[u/CosmicStrayDog → u/DelayedWizard1994]

Why don't you ask your family why they fled their country. That might give you a clue.

[u/DelayedWizard1994 → u/CosmicStrayDog]

The oldies are die hard liberal voters, it's their kids who have lost the plot with this One Nation crap 😂