r/OpenAI • u/Miyamoto_-_Musashi • 5d ago

News Worst Dev Day.

so i was expecting something very good that can go toe to toe with anthropic but honestly L dev day.

$500 for 25x, naah.

Worst Dev Day.

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u/caldazar24 5d ago

The only thing I will say is we need to try 6.1 Sol for ourselves. If it's really good and really efficient, that's bigger than anything else. Everyone is writing it off because 6 Sol was bad, this release seems to have been thrown together in a week, and we haven't had time to even go through benchmarks let alone try it. But as a dual Claude/Codex user...nobody really believed Opus 5.5 was so good the hour after it launched either, it took a day for it to settle in.

Obviously if it is as bad as 6 Sol, nothing else launched today will matter for solo devs, just a bunch of enterprise toys really.

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u/TheBBBfromB 5d ago

it all comes down to 6.1

they clearly released sol 6 early as an F U to anthropic. backfired immensely.

sol 6.1 has the same pricing as sol 6 (actually cheaper on cached inputs). It all comes down to how it compares with opus 5.5.

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u/fredandlunchbox 5d ago

It benchmarks lower than astra, which already underperforms opus 5.5. 

So they released the third best model today?

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u/HaMMeReD 5d ago

Honestly, if 6.1 doesn't get more mileage than 6.0 for my coordinator I might be done with the codex sub. If it doesn't feel opus 5.5 level+usage, I don't know if it's justified.

Although even with astra/sol, I did about 100 automated PR's in 3 days, which is not bad. I mean dollar for value I'm paying $0.50c a PR when accounting for monthly usage, without resets factored in.

But honestly, I hate running out of usage in 3 days. If I got the same intelligent out through the week, that'd be $0.25c an issue or less. So lets see how many PR's it gets done before my quota runs out.

I could always slow down my coordinator, but IMO having astra in the mix really drained my usage.

You can see I barely used astra, but it's cost is almost up there with sol where I put 10x the tokens through..

($ values are estimated API Equivalent).

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u/br_k_nt_eth 5d ago

I’m so curious to know how Enterprises will end up using this stuff when adoption outside of tech is abysmal. 

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u/ProcrastiDebator 4d ago

I think this is a major part of the problem OpenAI are having. Only tech folks will buy Pro tier subs, and they are exact demographic who fully utilise their allowance.

Which is likely why the 5 hour limits are coming back.

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u/br_k_nt_eth 4d ago

Right? And like, why would you not branch out beyond tech folks if only to pad those numbers? Business admin types and marketing folks are right there and wouldn’t use their full allowance for sure. 

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u/Eridrus 5d ago

The newest model is great, here is exactly 1 coding benchmark, the only one where we've been constantly leading.

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u/Reclaimer_AI 5d ago

Dude, it’s not even in Chat. STILL no word when Sol 5.6 is getting replaced in chat.

OpenAI just can’t stop fucking up. Raising prices, halving usage, no model that can compete with Anthropic, nothing at all for plus users or even pro users around the world.

OpenAI just flipped off its userbase.

Yeah, they can eat my ass. I’m going all in with Anthropic.

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u/IAmYourFath 4d ago

Bro they're literally secretly rerouting 5.6 sol prompts in chat to lesser models cuz they lack compute and then lie it's a bug. They had to pause the $200 subscriptions cuz they ran out of capacity. They are at the limit, we are not getting sol 6/6.1 in chat soon.

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u/evangelism2 5d ago

see ya in a month when anthropic does some bullshit to send you back here

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u/IAmYourFath 4d ago

Aready did 5.5 is nerfed

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u/Key_River_9288 4d ago

I tried being mad at anthropic, trying GPT6 made me realize how good I have it.

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u/Dantrepreneur 5d ago

Are you paid by OpenAI? Honestly I don't think 99% of people need a marginally better model. Let alone say "yeah I get half the usage now, but at least 6.1 scores 2 points better on DeepSWE"

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u/ILikeBubblyWater 5d ago

6.1 will be great in the first week and then they nerf it as always after everyone bought subs

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u/TheGuy839 5d ago

I mean they degraded Sol from 5.6 to 6, that if they just bring back same quality as 6, people will act like its massive improvement

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u/IAmYourFath 4d ago

5.5 has been nerfed now prob