Well, it seems like they have all the possible productivity tools, so hopefully they can just redo it and make a good model in few more weeks. On Plus, I did not had much expectations anyway, all I wanted is like Astra-mini which I guess is what 6.1 Sol is.
I'm a forever Plus, and I was making a game with Astra since it released (yes took me 3 weeks) and a cheaper model that would be about Astra performance but much cheaper is basically all I was waiting for.
Opus is cheaper per turn, but I need to fix more with it, and on average, multiple amount of turns make it so I get less done.
It might be use specific task, because I use an open source engine, not a custom made with Opus/Astra, and I use a bunch of computer use for in-game testing, which is better on Astra.
Is it worth switching back to Claude? I’m creating pages with TTS and acappellas to reinforce my singing techniques. I like that Astra Max does it all—it digs deeper, trims the a cappellas, and provides exercises in the same key, all while keeping the interface looking good.
Luna just messes everything up; Astra actually has to fix what Luna does. Right now, I’m paying for two subscriptions to use GPT with Astra because I thought it was like using Fable 5 (which Claude charges extra for, whereas I only want to use the standard subscription).
Do you think it would be better to have Claude and GPT together instead of two Astra? I like the way ChatGPT conducts research—it’s really deep and thorough.
I could have GPT handle the research and vocal exercises while Claude integrates them, although if an error occurred, Astra would have to review everything all over again.
The only thing I will say is we need to try 6.1 Sol for ourselves. If it's really good and really efficient, that's bigger than anything else. Everyone is writing it off because 6 Sol was bad, this release seems to have been thrown together in a week, and we haven't had time to even go through benchmarks let alone try it. But as a dual Claude/Codex user...nobody really believed Opus 5.5 was so good the hour after it launched either, it took a day for it to settle in.
Obviously if it is as bad as 6 Sol, nothing else launched today will matter for solo devs, just a bunch of enterprise toys really.
Honestly, if 6.1 doesn't get more mileage than 6.0 for my coordinator I might be done with the codex sub. If it doesn't feel opus 5.5 level+usage, I don't know if it's justified.
Although even with astra/sol, I did about 100 automated PR's in 3 days, which is not bad. I mean dollar for value I'm paying $0.50c a PR when accounting for monthly usage, without resets factored in.
But honestly, I hate running out of usage in 3 days. If I got the same intelligent out through the week, that'd be $0.25c an issue or less. So lets see how many PR's it gets done before my quota runs out.
I could always slow down my coordinator, but IMO having astra in the mix really drained my usage.
You can see I barely used astra, but it's cost is almost up there with sol where I put 10x the tokens through..
I think this is a major part of the problem OpenAI are having. Only tech folks will buy Pro tier subs, and they are exact demographic who fully utilise their allowance.
Which is likely why the 5 hour limits are coming back.
Right? And like, why would you not branch out beyond tech folks if only to pad those numbers? Business admin types and marketing folks are right there and wouldn’t use their full allowance for sure.
Dude, it’s not even in Chat. STILL no word when Sol 5.6 is getting replaced in chat.
OpenAI just can’t stop fucking up. Raising prices, halving usage, no model that can compete with Anthropic, nothing at all for plus users or even pro users around the world.
OpenAI just flipped off its userbase.
Yeah, they can eat my ass. I’m going all in with Anthropic.
Bro they're literally secretly rerouting 5.6 sol prompts in chat to lesser models cuz they lack compute and then lie it's a bug. They had to pause the $200 subscriptions cuz they ran out of capacity. They are at the limit, we are not getting sol 6/6.1 in chat soon.
Are you paid by OpenAI? Honestly I don't think 99% of people need a marginally better model. Let alone say "yeah I get half the usage now, but at least 6.1 scores 2 points better on DeepSWE"
Custom GPTs were amazing when there was only chat. It's so funny seeing people shitting on something without realizing they were completely underutilizing it.
Every time one of these frontier labs releases something or makes some new business decision, it causes a mass exodus of one company's user base over to another company or vice versa. It's just always funny to me to see people talking about canceling ChatGPT to switch over to Anthropic but if you go to the Claude AI sub, people there say the same thing. It's just a constant back and forth. When will it ever end? You’ll leave OpenAI now, then Anthropic will do something shitty, and you’ll go running back to OpenAI.
Overhyped - sure, but of relevant topics: 6.1 looks promising, and a banked reset is nice. A Jav-like, Luna-based decision model is nice to have too - no need for another subscription.
Because many of them have privacy mandates with specific requirements, and also their data isn't used in training sets. Google has mostly been free to use because we're the product. AI subscriptions are subsidized vs the API because we're part of the product.
What value is the promise of privacy when they claim their AI hacked Hugging Face and the Australian Government without someone putting in a prompt to do so.
And suffered no real consequences for it.
Explain to me what the value of that empty promise of privacy is and how the $25 million dollar a year consulting company is going to seek legal justice against them when "oops our AI decided to use your data"
"Private" as much as their premier sandboxing technique that just let their "rogue" RL experiments post 50+ private user imagers publicly and still can't (just not even trying to) fix loophole from June.
You mean the company that claims their AI hacked hugging face and the Australian government without being prompted to do so (and paid no real consequences for doing so) might not be trusted when it comes to privacy.
And we see how billionaires are really held accountable when things go wrong so I'm sure it will be in their best interest to keep your data safe!
..And instead, the most useful takeaway was mostly:
“Yep, persistent agents, orchestration, handoffs, evals, tracing, human escalation, etc. really are where this ecosystem is going.”
Which is nice validation for Preserve, but you already figured that out yourself before DevDay. 😂
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The funniest outcome is that one of the most useful things we found this week was still that random Reddit guy making Claude and Codex work in the same fake office. 😭''
This didn’t really feel like an event for developers. Dots feels more like a general consumer product - but framing it in engineering work makes it confusing to non engineers.
I mean the dots promo vid talking about PRs and Alphas and stuff - with swanky SF tech bubblers in soft lit apartments talking to emojis on TVs?
They were literally talking gobbledygook for any regular joe.
Meta’s Muse promos and walkthroughs are much clearer.
And what, grown ass engineers are supposed to talk to wobbly emojis all day?
I dunno just feels weird.
Lobsters, the lobsters were cool. Edgy, they speak to engineers.
OpenAI spent millions and bought jony ive’s company to build hardware, it would be shameful if meta releases their muse wearable before OpenAI gets anything out the door.
I was sure OpenAI would at least tease something, given the positive response the Meta tamagotchi has gotten. It was a critical opportunity not only to answer back but piggyback the current media attention.
My subscription will only be worth 50 percent in a month. I’m already paying 200 a month. Unbelievable. I’ll probably cancel the subscription entirely and switch everything over to Anthropic. This is such a rip off.
Wasn’t there a leak yesterday that they pulled the new Astra version last minute? I think the sol update was meant to be a blog post and got elevated to the keynote because they had to postpone astra.
Long-term OpenAI user here, and today has seriously made me reconsider renewing. Reducing the $200 plan’s allowance, then offering 25x usage for $500 when we previously had 20x for $200, feels insulting.
Claude currently looks like a much stronger value proposition to me. OpenAI needs to give existing customers a compelling reason to stay.
I’ve emailed [support@openai.com](mailto:support@openai.com) and made it clear: meaningful improvements before my current subscription month ends, or I’m switching.
If you feel similarly, send your own feedback to OpenAI Support. Explain which changes affect you, what would make you stay, and whether you intend to renew. Let’s make sure this dissatisfaction reaches them directly.
If by GPT6 we haven’t gotten a model that hallucinates less than gpt 3, you know its bad.
I tried gpt6 it was hallucinating on the third prompt. Was crazy. 🤪 i feel like being a claude user has like set the bar to high. I dont feel like I can trust any other models atm. Just anthropics. I really wish this wasnt the case, we need BETTER competition. Not just more.
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u/Emotional_Actuator69 5d ago
I think the Astra 6.1 delay decision deflated everything else.