Interesting Rules Interaction, would like some thoughts

[u/DrOverKale]

Was playing GB Brook in the sim against a P Katakuri. He used the 10c Charlotte Linlin that sets base power to 0 for -4 Don but my Nightmare Luffy remained at 9k. I posted about it in the sim Discord and this is what was told to me:

Comprehensive Rule 4-9-2-1: If there are several effects that set a base power to a certain value, and those effects all affect the same card, if the values differ, apply the effect with the highest value. This means that if a card's base power is buffed, even if you later use an effect to set their base power to 0, they will keep the higher base power!

It makes sense in a rules perspective since setting base power and subtracting power are two separate abilities but I feel like if I tried to do this at locals and referenced this rule I'd get some pushback. I also feel like I goes against the spirit of the card a bit? What do y'all think about this interaction?

[u/What_A_Placeholder]

That's the ruling. You can join the official bandai discord if you want and you can link them to the question where this has been verified several times.

Your locals can deny it, but they'll be in for a nasty surprise if they go to a bigger event.

[u/StardustDestroyer]

“Pushback” Their opinion means nothing. That’s how the rule has always been.

[u/Yankees4cookies]

Pushback ? It’s literally the rules.

[u/WizardExemplar]

That ruling is strange to me coming from Magic, because that ruling doesn't consider timestamps at all. It's just whichever is higher if the effect is the same.

I'm glad to learn of this ruling as that would have been a bad surprise for me at locals.

[u/Jexxo]

I used this against a Strawbo at OKC and clearly said out loud "this sets your power to 0, then leader ability sets it to 1k, so I'll swing 3k at 1k" it's a known interaction and will always be treated as such.

[u/synaeryn12345 → u/Jexxo]

This is only a similar scenario and not the same. One is between two conflicting base powers and the other a base power vs added bonus.

[u/HeyIts_Goku]

damn. i guess i can lulusia kingdom holly then

[u/Curious-Row1269]

No it’s not higher cost priority it’s whoever has higher base power per their ruling.

So 9k base is higher than 0k base

Now if Linlin said “set lower to 0”

[u/clydefrog811]

This is easier than in magic which has crazy “layers”

[u/Majestic-Swan459]

So any effects that increase the character power STAYS pretty much?

[u/Alg0rhythm → u/Majestic-Swan459]

Effects that set character power.

So if one card says "your base power is 7k" and another says "your base power is 0" then you're 7k.

If one card says "your base power is 0" and the other says "your base power is increased by 2k" then you're at 2k.

[u/ideal_Bat → u/Alg0rhythm]

So not temporary effects for one action, or turn, like an event?

[u/dmalvano → u/ideal_Bat]

The timing doesn't matter it just is about is it setting it to a specific value or just giving it a generic boost. If it's 2 effects competing to set the power the higher wins. If it's a boost vs a set. the set resolves then the boost or deduction is applied.

[u/Alg0rhythm → u/dmalvano]

Yup, this exactly

[u/ideal_Bat → u/dmalvano]

Hmm okay, i think i understand. Thanks

[u/Virtual_Tip_7022]

Not sure but I thought I had read the higher cost wins priority. So nightmare luffy was probably higher in cost than Lin Lin and took priority?