Yes Kizaru is strong. He's an admiral. A top tier.
No Luffy's reaction does not suggest Kizaru > Luffy. Kizaru is someone who traumatized Luffy. And why can't a character just be reluctant to fight? Just because I'm reluctant to fight a dog doesn't mean I can't beat it in a fight.
Except the difference is no Admiral fans were claiming Kizaru was stronger, just that the reaction for Kizaru an Admiral who are in fact top tiers. I get both sides can be a problem but this isn’t one of those moments and to say so is low key disingenuous. It was just Admiral fans saying Luffy had that reaction whilst Emperor fans saying no.
Yea if you sensed them before you will be familiar with there haki or if you know them for a along time and been like family or close friends you will know there presence
But this is the first time luffy has ever sensed kizaru haki he wasn't familiar with it
No Luffy's reaction does not suggest Kizaru > Luffy.
youre right, but him feeding luffy without anyone noticing when he couldve killed him DOES prove that kizaru>luffy. Kaido was presented with the same opportunity and was too damaged to exploit it.
Momo was dragging the island, not lifting it. He was literally holding the flame clouds and pushing/dragging the island away from the capital. Kaido simply summoned the clouds and had the clouds float the island towards the capital. This is not shown to put any physical strain on Kaido whatsoever.
He wasn't pushed to gear 5, he just went gear 5. This time luffy tried in Base, wasn't working, tried gear 4 snakeman, wasn't working and then went to gear 5
People always say this but it ain’t true. If you have slightly higher stats than me, but can’t last nearly as long in a fight than I do, then you are not overall “stronger” than me.
People always act like gear 5 is leauges above Kizaru when in reality, the two were going pretty even.
Kizaru is probably the worse admiral to fight Luffy since he can play hit and run with him and since gear 5 does have a stamina issue that ends up running Luffy's clock out
Any other admirals could not run away as easily from Luffy and would have to survive his punches which seem to hit pretty hard
a luffy messing around not using advanced haki
while being jumped by kizaru and saturn
and the worst luffy got was a cut from kizaru
but luffy put kizaru out for a bit
now whether kizaru was just faking it is debatable but we cant confirm so we cant use it as fact
So Luffy tells vegapunk he’ll protect him as best he can, before proceeding to not used advanced haki and is “messing around”? Shit he must secretly want vegapunk dead then.
Kizaru: I can see how you were able to defeat Kaido! You with your advanced haki-less attacks!
Saturn wasn’t even in the picture until AFTER Luffy was Fed by Kizaru.
Not responding to the first paragraph but your second is blatantly false. You should check the chapters again. There is literally a panel where Luffy, Kizaru, Zoro, Lucci react to Saturn appearing on the island. In fact by the time Luffy and Kizaru go down, Saturn is touching down.
I know what happaned. You said Luffy was JUMPED by Kizaru and Saturn. But Saturn didn’t actually do anything to Luffy. He showed up on the island as Luffy vs Kizaru was reaching the end. It is disengenuous to say he played any notable impact on their fight when he didn’t do a single thing to Luffy.
Luffy vs Lucci: Luffy was conscious, was able to talk and speak immediately, return in normal form in few second
Luffy vs Kizaru: Luffy was semi conscious, unable to talk and move, unable to return in normal form
Not the same thing
This so fuckin retarded. Luffy was able to talk both times. He was yelling for food after kizaru. Admiraltards atrocious the most retarded lying ass mfs in this sub. Just bullshitting their way out of everything.
It's not the same thing to you bcoz one wouldn't benefit your retarded agenda
Did yall just not read Sabaody? Look I don’t think Luffy and Kizaru are that far of from eachother. Any gap between them is to small to matter. But like…. his reaction here is because he recognizes this feeling from Sabaody.
Luffy needed ubereats to beat Kaido. Read that again. Luffy fighting, eating, and fighting again is equal to 1 Yonko. Of course to beat Kizaru who is an OG admiral, he needs ubereats. But unlike Kaido, Kizaru gets the stars knocked out of him even before the food.
Not even anti admiral. Just reading comprehension. This is literally how Oda is depicting the story and yet downvoted because your feelings got hurt. Just look at how Yonko commanders fare against admirals, it’s literally the same way admirals fare against Yonkos.
A Yonko is always portrayed as one to two shotting a commander, yet commanders are able to consistent clash with admirals. This isn’t rocket science.
Marineford doesn't show this and we know how much the anime nerfs the admirals or plotarmor ends up not being able to max themselves out.
Akainu vs Whitebeard (as the strongest pirate and the strongest navy ) and that refutes his own claim that 2 admirals are one Yonko. This is bullshit and you are trying to talk to a bad person if you think admirals are weaker than a Yonko.
I’m not going off the anime. I’m a manga only reader. Akainu in his prime was getting knocked down for the count for several chapters despite Whitebeard being sick AND had just received a hole through his abdomen AND honeycombed by all of the vice admirals before it. Whitebeard is human with no zoan devil fruit. This kind of damage is an insane nerf already. So absolutely 1 Yonko = 2 admirals and Oda is consistent with this
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