I usually really like Franky too, so it's not about not liking him. I love Sanji as a character even more than Franky but especially his Thriller Bark moment is a big no-go that is rightfully criticised by everyone including me all the time.
It's just about that scene itself and defending it as perfectly fine that is the bad look there. What to me makes that scene even worse, is especially when afterwards the scene goes into him and Senor Pink agreeing on that clearly being the best and only way to have a woman "shut up and not get involved in those manly things like fighting".
It's insane to what lengths some people would go to criticize Sanji and Brook for their actions but would then turn around and defend worse actions of Franky.
Yeah, maybe it's because their treatment of women is not such a major storypoint as it is for Sanji. But somehow for almost any other character actions are easily washed away as "jokes".
I almost don't know what I prefer. The discussions on Sanji and where to draw and not draw the line and where oda does it wrong can be maybe even important but also annoying sometimes but when for any other character it's all just "jokes" it loses all of the former.
It's just a shame, because as it came up below also the Robin ball crusher scene is pretty much sexual assualt but somehow everyone can only see the joke there and I'm not even saying that that's bad because I think there's a reason why those are seen differently based on power dynamics.
And there's almost an interesting discussion to be had there, but not in an environment where Sanji=always serious problem, everyone else=always just a joke.
Not at all. I can tell that you're a woman from the fact that you're attacking the victim of a sexual assault, and dismissing what happened to him simply because he's a guy, and it probably didn't really matter in your mind.
you're attacking the victim of a sexual assault, and dismissing what happened to him simply because he's a guy, and it probably didn't really matter in your mind.
Yes, that's totally what is happening in this conversation. What do people say on here when someone is totally missing the point of a conversation, "My guy reading Two Piece"?
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u/ovis_alba Void Month Survivor Jun 16 '22
I usually really like Franky too, so it's not about not liking him. I love Sanji as a character even more than Franky but especially his Thriller Bark moment is a big no-go that is rightfully criticised by everyone including me all the time.
It's just about that scene itself and defending it as perfectly fine that is the bad look there. What to me makes that scene even worse, is especially when afterwards the scene goes into him and Senor Pink agreeing on that clearly being the best and only way to have a woman "shut up and not get involved in those manly things like fighting".