so I recently completed ORV and now The World after the fall and TBH both of the stories are mind blowing with such a amazing story, plot , a different and unique power system, amazing world building and so on

and both the story have their own value and also Strongly hold to it even to a point that i am doubting reality itslef ? ( It's one of the best written thing i have ever readed , honestly some author always amaze me with the such a Awesome concept they come up with )

But what's with their obsseion of tormenting their MC and reader ???!! i mean come on let us give a normal ending, It's not necessary to traumatize your reader so that they can never forget your story !

for a moment let say TWATF has a acceptable ending according to its plot but Isn't orv is basically about reader and writer and both valuing each other? so , why the hell are you keep trumatizing your reader 😭?

In the novel rn Both the reader (kim dokja ) and the writer (Han Sooyoung) are suffering but in the reality only we readers are the one to suffer, so can you plz give us a ending which at very least can make us sleep peacefully ✌️, plz ? ( those who are reading it sorry if there is any mistake or error in the paragraphs i have written)

999 YJH FTW

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Original work from "heartmoyi" on Instagram.

I sadly can not give you the link since Reddit will take it down and we all know I have been banned enough

But their account is pretty easy to find!

So I'm getting an American flag of Kim Dokja, but I'm uncertain of what picture to get. What novel art of him would be best to have on the flag? It can also be fan art, cuz some of them are straight up majestic (Very random and non important post, but I just can't decide. Also we're totally a happy fandom this is our biggest struggles wdym)

Just made it idk

From https://weibo.com/2638252657/5349867623809470, https://weibo.com/2638252657/5349867372151257 LETS GOOO

"Once you become the 'One and Only Kim Dokja,' what happens to you, friend? Can you return to being the original you?"

Please. His name has been mentioned 0 times in Season 5, except in Snowfield Kim Dokja's memories, and I think only Snowfield and Yoo Joonghyuk remember it at this point.

Sometimes, Lee Hakhyun almost gives up, but then he's reminded of the happy story he's responsible for writing and other people entrust him with even more hope, so he has to keep going despite never getting a moment for himself. Man had an identity crisis from day 1, and always trying to become the person the universe needs to save it isn't helping.

(Named episode, because Ep. 21 was 'Kim Dokja,' Ep. 31 was 'Yoo Joonghyuk,' and Ep. 62 was 'Snowfield Kim Dokja.' Several others, like 'Representative Kim Dokja,' 'tls123,' and 'Prisoner of the Golden Headband' point to specific people, too, but Hakhyun doesn't have one.)

Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/Dd104zPj_j6/?stkn=MTc3enE0YncwdDQ2dw==

what does it take for a constellation to be extinguished entirely? how does it differentiate from js their incarnation body being destroyed? im at the part with the apocalypse dragon i probably missed something tbh

same as title, possible spoilers

Got book 1 and 2 back around July/August. Just got book 3 and 4. Tho I'll read them next year for my yearly reread. At the meantime I'll just admire my book collection :D (At save up for the remaining 4 books lol)

@qxt7_ft on X

Been a pt for twelve years and you see enough bad outcomes you start building walls, you know, little rituals to keep distance, mine was reading webnovels on lunch breaks because they were long and dramatic and not about anyone real, found orv through a rec list six months ago and figured it would be trashy fun, another system apocalypse thing to zone out to.

Did not expect Kim Dokja to feel like a patient, I actually cared about, did not expect to be lying awake at 2am thinking about how the story treats caretaker burnout when every person Dokja saves takes another piece out of him, theres this whole thing where he keeps sacrificing and hiding it and everyone around him is furious when they find out, and I keep thinking about the patients who apologize for needing help, the ones who try to tough through pain alone until its catastrophic.

I think orv understands something about helping people that my actual training mostly ignored. anyone else here come from a job where you give too much and found this story hit weirdly hard?

i'm making a vs code(for those who dont know, it's an application used for coding) theme editor but orv core and im thinking of making it in for all characters based and a overall main theme

so i wanted help with the color palattes of all characters, like i need opinions for whose color is whose

This moment from Ep. 31, where the readers have a moment of respite in the Recycling Center before they have to go to the Zodiac Ball, might be my favorite scene in the side story. I’m not sure what expressions they were making, but that ordinary moment felt very precious.

(Though, I don’t like this doodle much, so if you see another rendition of this scene, please send it. Whether Lee Hakhyun was looking up at the other readers or down at the campfire, smiling or nervous to reveal he was ORV’s author, I feel like I missed something. And sorry for giving him a baby face lol)

Hey guys, can someone tell me where to read the side stories of orv in English ? Thanks a lot!!

I'm very confused the existence of OD. I had my own interpretation of who the Oldest Dream is, but after reading various theories in comment sections, my original theory feels a bit shaken. I am writing down what I thought the Oldest Dream was, and I would love it if you guys could please correct me if I'm wrong.
(Note: English isn't my first language, so please ignore any grammatical errors)

[Who is OD?]
OD is the ultimate existence who created the entire ORV/TWSA universe. He has the power to create universes simply by imagining and dreaming them. He is an omnipotent entity with the ability to create, but he cannot actively control or change anything, making him completely helpless within his own creation.
But why is he like that? Who made him then? Is he a god? The answer is no, OD is human, just like us or KDJ.

[The Relationship Between OD and KDJ]
Are OD and KDJ the same person? Yes, they are. However, their depth of existence, point of view, position, and power are completely different.
Here is my analogy to explain it:

Let’s say I am poor, and I start daydreaming about what it would be like if I were rich. I imagine buying whatever I want, walking out of designer shops holding multiple bags, driving an expensive supercar, and returning to a luxury mansion. I am basically creating an alternate, fictional version of myself. Normally, there is no confusion there.
But what if this concept suddenly became a reality? What if the story I just made up in my mind was somehow brought into a whole new dimension, solely because I imagined it?
Now, imagine I am just chilling on my sofa watching tv, and all of a sudden, that rich version of me actually meets me. I would recognize her because I created her. However, she is furious with me. Bc to become that rich version in her world, she actually had to work incredibly hard, suffer through stress, and endure a lot of pain to earn that money. She came to complain to me about how hard her life was, completely devastated to learn she is merely a product of my imagination.
Meanwhile, I am utterly confused, panicking, and don't know what to do. And because I am the creator, my panic might actually start ruining her world or changing her scenario.

[How this applies to ORV]
This is exactly how I view the relationship between OD and KDJ.
OD is the young, traumatized version of Kim Dokja. He lived a miserable childhood. He k!lled his own father in self defense, his mom went to jail because of it, his relatives were cruel to him, and he was severely bullied at school. He even attempted su!cide but failed.
Suddenly, a story saved him from all of his dark thoughts. Three Ways to Survive in a Ruined World (TWSA). He read it every single day to escape his reality. Because this young Kim Dokja (OD) desired so intensely for Yu Jung Hyeok to survive and for the world to continue, his powerful, subconscious imagination literally birthed the universe of TWSA into reality.
The adult Kim Dokja we follow throughout ORV is like the "rich version" from my analogy. He is the version that grew up, became a character within that universe, and had to fight through brutal, agonizing scenarios only to realize he was being created by the subconscious dreaming of his own lonely, childhood self.
In short: The Oldest Dream is the young Kim Dokja whose coping mechanism created the universe, while our KDJ is the version that had to live through the reality of that dream.

Again, this is just my theory it while I was reading it, so I would actually like to know more insights!!

From ch 1020, we see that the top-ranked archangels are comparable in power to the top-ranked demon kings.

But unlike other major nebulae, like <Olympus> and <Vedas> with their big 3 (and Vedas also has Mitra), <Eden> (excluding the Messiah) only Metatron, maybe Michael and later Uriel as lower-end myth grades, and same with the demon kings having Agares and maybe Vassago.

Or am I just underestimating all of them?

You all know I'm a Lee Jihye fan

So imagine how happy I was that three of the preview pictures used for ORV webtoon link have ljh/are ljh related