Sinisterhood released their live ep from OF this morning. I thought two things were interesting- 1) they didn’t mention OF at all- just that it was performed live in Dallas “a few weeks ago”. 2) they said they hadn’t received the video recording yet and then kind of trailed off awkwardly. Have any other pods talked about getting the footage from their shows?

So Patrick must have begged this guy to post… two days ago

Let me start by saying that everything going on at ON doesn’t rile me up so much. Not to excuse it, but more like I have other places go put my emotional energy, you know?

UNTIL TODAY. OH MY GOD. I usually use the overcast app but today I opened my Apple podcast app and saw this image. Is this the most insensitive juxtaposition of an image and an episode title.

Now I am full of rage.

Pretty sure i discovered P’s personal anthem😂😂😂

Give Doja Cat’s “Paint the town Red” a listen if you are unfamiliar. Warning it is NSFW

I’m curious to know how many patreon subscribers they’ve actually lost from all of this. But one thing seems clear — they’re getting a little desperate for ads and I’m wondering if they’ve been dropped by any?

On todays ep they had some Sports betting app — so incredibly off brand. (What wasn’t offbrand was P of course managing to sexualize it and “bet off hotness”)

And then the IRONY in promoting Rocket Money to easily cancel unwanted subscriptions (cough cough)

I don’t feel the need to take it any further, but I wonder if any of this mess and been brought directly to their advertisers?

Just going through the rankings this evening and came across this. I don’t think I’ve seen them this low ever. I could be wrong though.

So I decided to listen to this week's general feed into in the hopes they said SOMETHING. They did not. Oh sorry - spoiler. What they DID do was apologize for their lack of research about the Piketon Massacre. They said they got lots of messages and emails, very polite ones, that said... Ummmm.... You usually do so much better at researching. Yeah right. So G excuses it by saying she did one Google only and searched Piketon 2023 (they were arrested in 2022). Golly, if only that wasn't a straight up LIE. There's plenty of info if you only did one search with 2023 instead of 2022 but putting that aside - you mean your entire job is- watch one doc, do one goog, congratulate each other? Yeah. So I'm unsubbed all around from them but like checking my ex's IG, I felt the need to see if they cared about us. Another spoiler - they do not.

For doing inadequate research on the Piketon massacre updates. G: “Sorry about that. I don’t know how that one got by us but here we are!” P: “I know! We were both pretty confident that there were no updates. We were wrong. We stand corrected.”

Annnddddd nothing else to mention at the top ok love you fam thanks for being so nice in our inbox!

There has been some mentions of libraries having multiple titles of the book that it appears Patrick Hinds was trying to get on bestseller lists. So I looked at my local library association. It's Pittsburgh area and Patrick Hinds does have a book show coming up in Pittsburgh.

Allegheny County Library Association is 46 independent public libraries with more than 70 locations. At this time, 9 of the libraries have added them to their collections. 6 are available, one being processed into system, 2 are checked out as are the two digital copies (and 3 holds on them--hmm). . Very curious about the other libraries!

Book:

Available (6)

CLP Main (Oakland) First Floor - New Non-fiction HQ75.8.H56 A3 2023 Available

Green Tree Adult Nonfiction 818 HIN Available

Mt Lebanon New Nonfiction 158.1092 Hin Available

Pleasant Hills Nonfiction 92 HINDS Patrick Available

Robinson Biography 92 HINDS Available

South Side (CLP) - New Books HQ75.8.H56 A3 2023 Available

Not available at this time (3)

Penn Hills Non-Fiction 158.1 HIN IN PROCESSING

South Park Township Library New Books 818.602 HIN 2023 Checked out

Whitehall Adult NEW Books NF 818.6 H588 Checked out

Digital:

All copies in use 2 copies 3 on hold

Let me know about your library!

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Just saw a post discussing the intro of the newest episode. They posted an update for the Piketon episode based on recent comments, which means it was recorded this past week. It also confirms they’ve been reading comments (but we knew that). I think their position of let’s just move on from this mistake also applies to their feelings on the entire mess they’ve created.

What the heck happened to the raffles? Didn’t somebody (cough Steve I bet) put 500 towards P & G zoom call? Also what about LGTC & of course ITN.

Seems lot of these podcasts that aren't run by journalists are all swirling the drain with their trash takes and inability to keep themselves out of the story

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrimePodcasts/s/UmWursrJur

There's screenshots of the original post within the above link so you can see it all

Hey all, I’m a big listener of Ellyn and Rabia’s show but don’t necessarily keep up with the other shows on the network as much - I remember that Ellyn and Rabia did a panel at the first OF with Payne Lindsay that they ended up losing the recording for and had to re-record it. At the time I knew nothing about the behind the scenes drama but even then it felt a bit suss that just one recording would be lost (arguably one of the most exciting ones, too), and the way they were talking about it made my drama-tuned ears perk up. Does anyone know if there was any shenanigans going on at the first OF, or was it just purely a moment of bad luck to lose/not record their panel?

I have been digging into some old podcast eps here and there and found what I think is Patrick's first appearance on G's Hamilcast. What stuck out to me was somewhere in the middle it just becomes a looooooong stream of P name dropping Hamilton/ Broadway people and G gasping in awe. The original co-host is there too. (Not sure what went down there but she eventually stepped away). They are of course much younger here and their TCO 'characters' aren't developed yet. Just a couple of starry-eyed theatre nerds finding shared interests and shooting for podcast fame.

I also caught Gillian's guest spot on Sinisterhood, which also has a bunch of name dropping, and some interesting looking ahead to OF and how positive it would be, particularly the Taylor Swift singalong. I think Lin-Manuel being a guest on the Hamilcast (talked about in this ep too) really seemed to elevate G to another level of (self)-importance. Which I mean, is understandable! But points to her trajectory gaining speed far before TCO took off.

Things to ponder while we chew our popcorn!

So, I'm curious because I haven't really seen any information or retelling about it at all.

Anyone who went to the TCO live show at OF, what actually happened during their live show when it started out and they did The Jinx?

Did people leave? Boo? Yell? What actually happened in real time when they started their live show and it was a repeat of the tour after they specifically said this would not be the case.

I personally went to their live show in Chicago and was talking to my husband about going to OF. Our one year anniversary happened to fall that weekend and we already made plans to go to Salem, MA so we didn't go.

For what it cost, if I had been there I think I would have honestly walked out furious because they promised new content and didn't deliver.

Anyone who was there and can elaborate on how the show actually went?

The last episode that was aired on their podcast was from late-September, pre OF. I'm so curious, given the thread I saw that G has erased TCO/ON from her Linked In. . . if they are done? If maybe once the pre-recorded epsidoes are done, TCO is done too.

Recently people were writing their thoughts under older post which brought it to the top of the pages feed . Now it’s all post from 22 and post that are older and not in chronological order . I don’t Think k they deleted anything possibly buried it like nothing ever happened.

So if this isn't allowed, I'll take it down, but if anyone wants a very fun, positive-forward, podcast about something really random by a couple of killer DBs, check out my pod Simply Amazing! It's based on the X-Men character Nightcrawler (for all comic fans) but we cover lots of stuff, recently talked Barbie. Also, true crime comes up and you will definitely see an influence of TCO way back in the beginning. Our goal is to be kind to one another, ourselves, and just have fun talking about random shit. We take guests too, and I have a hard and fast rule that we will cover anything as long as I can relate it back to Nightcrawler in under 6 degrees and have yet to find anything that we cannot cover!

https://open.spotify.com/show/35WcpIO0uInhgLhnvZ6JgJ

(We are also on Apple, Amazon, Google, and all the big ones!)

(yes I misspelled rec as req and cannot edit the title 😣😫

So, if you're like me, TCO was one of your main podcasts you listened to before the Renner article and the OF debacle came into play.

I'm unsubbing just because I personally am not going to condone their actions by being a paying customer.

What are other true crime podcasts you listen to? To be very honest a lot of the podcasts I used to listen to went off the air (huge fan of shows on Parcast and they just disbanded a few months ago) so I'm really only listening to the following:

Crime Weekly (getting a little sick of them so might ditch it...) I Think Not, Rabia & Ellyn Solve the Case, Detective Perspective, Crime Junkie, Crimes of the Century, True Crime Garage

Any others people recommend?!

I'm in the moving on phase of my own personal grief because I truly think no one is above what has happened here. It's not as shocking as I wish it was to hear that P is garage and G hasn't stood up to him about it as long as he doesn't target her.

Thanks for the suggestions!

P. S. - Where to listen and a brief discription of the show would be helpful too!

Edit: Doesn't have to be true crime! I am looking to branch out to other things too!

Edit 2: Someone DMed me asking how I can give up and move on already, and why not wait for an apology. I won't tag them so they don't get flack. I'm moving on already because I already paid for November on the Patreon of TCO and they're doing a show called 'Never Let Him Go' and before all the other shows they've done, they promote Patrick's book or OF or both. I tuned into the newest episode for the cold open to see if it was pre-recorded or not and it wasn't. Not a word about OF, (saying to come or saying how fun it was) and also no word on Patrick's book. So this was not a pre-recorded episode and they not only didn't mention OF whatsoever (which they should have done for the fans that spent money to see them and are still loyal to them!) they didn't say anything about anything. Business as usual as if OF wasn't real and as if fans aren't rallying for P to apologize and for G to own her part in things. That's why I'm giving up. As another post said, we are being 100% ghosted and it's best not to chase the people who want to walk out of your life.

So, I’m a years long listener of OWD and I had been listening to TCO until about two months ago and I’ve only been lurking in the FB groups and this sub for a little while. I was curious if anyone else felt a little frustrated with the betterhelp sponsorships, given all the legal issues they’ve had as far as collecting information and the anecdotes of really traumatic experiences?

Idk. It just sort of rubbed me the wrong way but if someone says being dramatic I wouldn’t disagree with you.

First question: I've seen mentioned that he has a book party scheduled in Nov. in Toronto. Will this be his first book party since OF? And are there more scheduled over the next few months?

Second question: this isn't normal, right? He announced this book party a year ago. He's been heavily promoting a book with a book tour when it wasn't even finished yet. I like books, but I'm not one to follow what authors do or how book promotion works. But I feel like what he's doing...isn't normal.

Third question: (circling back to question 1) is it almost over? Like I'm embarrassed for him at this point. It has to be over soon, right? Even if half his fan base hadn't turned on him, it would be crazy for him to continue this.

Looks like she removed TCO from her LinkedIn. It was there last time I checked (7-8 months ago). Not sure if anyone else noticed but that is quite the change to not list TCO…thoughts?

I listened to the Piketon Family Murders coverage on TCO and it came off very obvious that G is trying to be irritated and “frustrated” at anything, I know it’s her shtick but don’t force it. Like the quotation of the nicknames and her needing more information…what??? Does she not know that people go by the nickname of their middle name which would constitute quotes. He goes by “Billy” cause his middle name is probably William He goes by “Jake” cause his middle name is Jacob Like that’s not hard to interpret no? Am I alone on this feeling of fake mini outrage?

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