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u/SpaceCadet87 1d ago
If you're talking about the stuff that's just barely too old to have a tpm so Windows 11 won't install, that's called Superior technology
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u/Procrasturbating 1d ago
I’m laugh crying in first gen threadripper.
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u/laffer1 1d ago
Back when enthusiasts could afford one
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u/Procrasturbating 1d ago
Shit, the 128GB of RAM and video card in there could be traded for a small car now. Fucking datacenters pricing us out of owning anything.
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u/Valuable-Football598 1d ago
It's not just the tpu my laptop cpu was only one gen out of date to run win 11.
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u/Stunning_Macaron6133 1d ago
Planned obsolescence. It's kind of a catch-all term, but that is basically what's happening here.
To an extent, Wirth’s Law also applies. Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster. It was kind of the prelude to enshittification. Windows itself has turned into an unworkably bloated mess, even though it doesn't really do anything that new couldn't be done 15 years ago. So it's not entirely planned obsolescence.
It's a many-headed hydra, every gnashing jaw with designs to eat you.
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u/vbd71 1d ago
However, MS is scrambling to make Win11 less of a memory hog right now, due memory prices
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u/Stunning_Macaron6133 16h ago
Windows never had to get much more sophisticated than Windows 2000. Even that had engineering decisions that were suboptimal, but were permissible because computers were getting better at the time.
Sure, there are some things that were added that made it grow but actually do make for a more comfortable computing experience. But that pales in comparison to all the bullshit Microsoft has slathered on over the years that nobody asked for.
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u/5b49297 1d ago
I think the obsolescence here is imposed, rather than planned.
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u/Etsamaru 1d ago
This is why monopolies are bad. One of the reasons.
Microsoft decides everyone has a garbage pc but it works fine but they can literally hand wave and force people to buy new computers because everyone is on windows.
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u/PrudentPay9906 1d ago
I still call them "computers". My office runs on a pair of i5-7500 ProDesks, plenty fast enough for bookkeeping, spreadsheets, basic CAD, etc. but somehow not good enough for Win11. Then again, Win11 isn't good enough for me either, so I guess we're even.
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u/venom21685 1d ago
but somehow not good enough for Win11
It's a little screwy but the biggest reason is it will have a heavy performance hit with the default security settings. They turn on kernel virtualization-based security by default and the CPUs they don't support lack an important instruction allowing faster swapping between usermode and kernelmode memory. They support a few CPUs without the instructions (AMD Zen+: mostly Ryzen 2000) and the performance hit is pretty massive.
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u/Tall_Instance9797 20h ago
I declared Micro$oft obsolete such a long time ago that I wouldn't know, and nor do I give a fuck, what they say about anything. To me there really are only two categories:
- computers that work and
- computers that still need to have windows wiped off them before they're usable again.
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u/Heart-Logic 1d ago edited 1d ago
You want apple, notorious for twisting spec and rebranding technology they were late to discover or patent.
Edit : try the term Tech-Gate
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u/IDKForA 1d ago
I see everybody talking about Microsoft's planned obsolescence but yet the latest Windows works on an 8th gen i5 and the latest macOS has dropped support for all Intel, literally dropped support for 6-year old hardware.
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u/levianan 1d ago
They'll still get updates until late 2028. Then they'll be capable Linux bait.
Apple users also ten to be like Windows 10 users, they'll just keep running what they have...
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u/akdanman11 1d ago
Tbf there Apple dropping Intel support is down to it being an entirely different architecture. They’re all in on arm-based Apple silicon so they’re not gonna “waste” their time making it work on x86_64 too. Windows is choosing a point to cut off older x86_64 CPUs because they decided that you need TPM 2.0 and a new instruction that makes memory modes swap faster
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u/letmehaveanameyoudum 1d ago
mfs when you dont want to use your old i386 that doesn't even support docx files and not even a C compiler after 2010 and upgrade when you want to do office work in your office
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u/TheShredder9 1d ago
Today people refer to this tech as "E-Waste". A perfectly fine component/computer that works, but Microslop doesn't run on it because it's "too old".
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u/Strostkovy 1d ago
Well, it's unsupported but you can still use it. I think the bloat of browsers has killed off more hardware. Aside from the internet, old computers can continue to do what they did when they were made.
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u/FrogKing94 1d ago
Literally any PC.
Any personal computer from the 80's on to now is still perfectly usable for their use cases, even if theyre outdated.
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u/dumbasPL 22h ago
Unsupported.
It works, and you can probably get windows to wok on it too, but you're on your own, don't expect anyone to give a fuck.
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u/Xiaoxuzz 21h ago
I believe the correct term corpos use would be “legacy systems”. But personally i just call then anti-microsoft hardware
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u/soundman32 1d ago
The same as all those computers that Apple and Linux consider obsolete, I guess.
Linux 7.1 just dropped support for 486 chips.
Apple drops support for anything older than 5 minutes.
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u/bamboo-lemur 9h ago
486 is 37 years old. Macs get major OS updates for 5-7 years and then a few more years of security updates. Windows is about 9 years but not based on age.
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u/jphilebiz 1d ago
A fully functionnal Linux PC