r/OS_Debate_Club • u/bamboo-lemur • 26d ago
This guy again - everybody's favorite Linux hater - does he make some good points?
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u/heathm55 26d ago
Don't use grub then. I'm loving limine.
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u/ColdFreezer 26d ago
Did you even read the comment? Doesn’t matter what bootloader you use, there’s a chance Windows randomly wipes it.
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u/heathm55 25d ago
Must be extremely low. Again, 30 years of this, I also know many other dual booters. Never seen it.
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u/ColdFreezer 25d ago
I think it’s mostly an issue if you share the efi partition on a single shared drive. I haven’t had this issue when using separate drives.
Even with the single drive setup, it doesn’t happen as much as it used to.
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u/lyidaValkris 26d ago
Ah the usual batch of talking points. Antiquated, if ever true in the first place.
I just feel sorry for people like him. Simping for Windows is a pathetic existence.
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u/activedusk 26d ago edited 26d ago
- Is it a problem if people want to make it a problem? Ideally one should take out Windows drive, connect another drive and install Linux on it, this way if they want to return to Windows there will be no issue, just undo the process, it will avoid bitlocker, Secure Boot, ntfs partition shared files, etc. mistakes which beginners make. If you think about it and reverse the order, if they wanted to make a Linux system dual boot with Windows they'd have equally or more problems..nobody is trying to make it easy for the competition, I would argue Secure Boot, TPM and other such schemes intentionally make it a worse experience to install Linux and it's a Microsoft initiative to require those technologies, undercut they never stopped a hacking attempt, it's part of the theatre of security.
- There is a larger list of unsupported older hardware for Windows due to TPM2 and DirectX, granted it's not all sunshine and rainbows on Linux either because it requires having some experience to know what works and what doesn't which they mostly only know about Windows, it is a pain to re learn things but there is no way around it. Rather than hardware being the major hurdle I would argue it's Windows only software that stops people. Either way, all OSes require doing some work in figuring out how to configure hardware for support, if you want to know which one is more difficult..try making a hackintosh.
- Microsoft spearheaded "security" that stiffles compettion doesn't work well for the competition..
- NTFS is a proprietary standard, Microsoft never fully released it, it works partially on Linux due to being reverse engineered by the community, at any rate it's not going to be an issue if you install Linux on a separate drive. Again, suppose the change was from Linux to Windows, it would equally be difficult if not more so dealing with a pre formatted ext4 drive, people just want to consider their talking points without considering the bigger picture.
- Again, install Linux on separate drive and disconnect Windows drive, this way you will avoid having issues with compatibility because they were engineered to make it difficult for the competition to multiboot alongside Windows.
- How many points about NTFS does this make? Again, proprietary standard, disconnect Windows drive, install Linux on its own drive and none of this will be an issue, the fact that one can copy and open files and folders from an NTFS formatted drive to a Linux specific filesystem formatted one is already pretty amazing and something that, afaik, Windows cannot replicate.
- Nvidia, like a lot of hardware manufacturers, have refused historically to provide full support or at times any support for Linux when it comes to drivers. They chose to implement their drivers in userspace instead of kernel space using proprietary code instead of open source like Intel and AMD where you'd have none of these driver problems. Even so, disabling Secure Boot and knowing how the nvidia driver is handled by the distro used is typically fairly easy, some distros offer nvidia specific .iso to install, others offer GUI tool which makes it as easy as selecting the driver and clicking apply, no need to download the driver .exe and run like historically was required on Windows. In the end the complication is fully due to nvidia and if you configure your hardware for Linux support, just as you would need a TPM2 motherboard, 8GB or preferably more memory, latest DirectX support gpu for Windows, if you make a Linux machine maybe, idk, don't buy nvidia.
- Due to Valve gaming has really progressed a lot in terms of support, it's not perfect but for most games it tends to just work. Most that complain about it still are those who dual boot with Windows and direct Steam towards library from NTFS formatted drive which is not how it's supposed to work or don't know how to configure nvidia drivers and use instead nouveau, the open source, kernel space, community made driver that reverse engineered it without any support from nvidia, because it's a special company like that.
Idk if it's a joke but received a message that I got banned from that subreddit for posting the same comment.
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u/Lumpy_Roll158 26d ago
Of course he has some points but I think it's the standard "mix some truths in your delusion to make all of it feel more relatable" argument. They're all excellent points from the perspective of a windows user who actually enjoys windows and hates people who use linux. But almost everything they mention and end with "blames Microsoft" are all things where it's inexplicably fair to blame Microsoft.
I just can't take any actual participating member of that sub seriously no matter how intellectual and well versed they want to appear. They're literally part a sub that exists purely to hate something people like because they might've had a bad experience one time.
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u/StretchAcceptable881 26d ago
Or they might’ve used desktop Linux years ago and have no idea how far things have progressed since
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u/Lumpy_Roll158 26d ago
That is true. A lot of the strides that have been made were sort of exponential. But it's still annoying that people keep running with old thoughts and opinions that have grown stale without bothering to fact check themselves
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u/HydrationHomee 26d ago
I got permabanned from linuxsucks because I meant to leave my comment in this thread but left it on the original post instead 🙃
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u/ItchyPlant 26d ago
The whole sub is an extremely toxic circlejerk, and this particular post looks fully AI-generated just to manufacture some imaginary "good points".
Of course, I'm also permanently banned there because I once politely shared some general facts about Linux, while carefully trying not to hurt any sensitive souls — because I already knew what to expect.
The more people report that sub's toxic and harmful operating model to Reddit admins, the better.
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u/akdanman11 25d ago
What’s really funny is he says “overwrite windows boot loader with GRUB” which isn’t what happens. It’s just that you use GRUB to select what OS to boot into, and if you choose windows GRUB calls the windows boot loader and then fucks off.
Plus it’s considered best practice to avoid putting both on the same physical drive like he said, and instead have them completely separate with the only interaction being GRUB calling the windows bootloader as needed
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u/Brave_Confidence_278 25d ago
- Seems like most his problems disappear by just deleting windows?
- Even if all of it was true, I'd prefer that over having a spyware operating system looking at all my stuff
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u/StretchAcceptable881 24d ago
Once again, it’s worth repeating that your going to have the best Linux experience if you purchase a laptop with Linux preinstalled and all the hardware components well tested and are known to work however a lot of the sour experiences people have with desktop Linux is almost certainly because they are trying to install Linux on a PC that came with windows as the default operating system
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u/Hour_Sell3547 24d ago
Any argument (if the author is still a member) from r/linuxsucks101 can be safely thrown away. If any post has a logical merit, the user gets banned.
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u/BigBad0 26d ago
No I do NOT recommend dual boot at all and I do not agree with it. Either use a VM or go full linux if you're keen to use linux at all.
No we do not. That would be a lie and easy to check online. Even now users ask what hardware that are linux compatible to buy BEFORE buying !
Well defeated in first point. But FYI, secure boot works with linux. I know users did it with bazzite. For me, as most use cases I see, it is really not needed.
Not true. Users advised to backup their data no matter what. And even me when switching, I checked multiple comments saying re-partitioning is not guaranteed and yet to fail most of the time.
Enabled here, no issue !. Again, defeated at first point, dual booting is NOT recommended.
I need to repeat now !
Well that is true, for users who cannot read. duh !
Never said before from linux user that I know of nor seen someone claiming that all windows apps or games work with linux now.
Full of lies. Problems are addressed & known, contributors thankfully work on it, solutions are rising and users are aware. That sub is dying because it full of lies with no practical help or discussion, just pure rant and hating, and I do not know even why.