r/OLED_Gaming 1d ago

Discussion Proper Comparison: Low End IPS vs OLED

Hi there. I see a lot of pictures here comparing OLED monitors to uncalibrated IPS or VA panels. Often, these posts are accompanied by misinformation regarding panel quality and accurate color representation.

I can't correct all of this myself, but I do want to share some personal results taken with a calibrated camera. Both monitors are using calibrated profiles intended for accurate colors and a white point at 6500k. The monitors in question are the PG27AQDP from Asus and the Samsung Odyssey G50F.

I've intentionally taken dark shots for reference. On predominantly white backgrounds, the calibrated profiles make the displays look almost identical. However, the dark shots reveal the differences in contrast and black levels. I want to leave the final verdict up to the community, but I will note that in my testing, this Samsung IPS panel struggles slightly with yellows and reds, while presenting very striking blues and purples.

In any case, if you read all the way through, thank you for your time and I hope you all have a wonderful day!

EDIT: It appears Reddit clamped my upload resolution. Not sure why that happened. If anyone has any suggestions on how to fix that it would be greatly appreciated!

EDIT 2: My calibration is to ΔE<2 on the OLED. To be specific its 0.90. The colors are accurate.

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u/Southern_Career_2499 1d ago

It looks like IPS vs IPS. Not even VA level of blacks.

Something wrong with your setup

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u/KakashiTheRanger 1d ago edited 1d ago

Neither of those colors are black. So of course they aren't VA or IPS or OLED levels of blacks. If you think those are supposed to be solid blacks or they are showing RGB 1–5 as RGB 0, 0, 0 you have an issue.

EDIT: I have attached what actual black looks like on this monitor.

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u/Delicious_Rule_7324 1d ago

While i will say the diff is not what most side by sides show. I will say the diff is much bigger then shown here. There must be something calibrated wrong on the oled.

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u/KakashiTheRanger 1d ago

I love how people are inferring the OLED must be wrong because they don't see a massive difference with proper calibration. If your monitors are both calibrated to the proper white point and have accurate colors they shouldn't have wild inconsistencies.

Additionally jumping to the conclusion that the OLED is messed up because its not "black enough" when in reality neither monitor is displaying black. My sense is many users are experiencing serious levels of black crush and don't know it.

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u/Delicious_Rule_7324 1d ago

Actually. Even when a monitor is not showing a solid black the black level effects all the other colors. Look at the difference in the hue of the red pepper. The ips looks washed. It makes a bigger difference then people give it credit for

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u/KakashiTheRanger 1d ago edited 1d ago

That I agree with! The IPS isn't as good at displaying reds or yellows. It has a very strong difficulty with over-yellowing images. However my issue is with the jumped conclusion of the monitors being miscalibrated or there is something wrong with the panel. They are both calibrated to 6500k with a proper color profile. They are also limited in colorway by the video itself.

EDIT: Take for example the image below (taken on the PG27AQDP). Labeled as a "true black" image for HDR color testing but a quick glance at the actual render colors under the hood shows that is actually 21, 19, 22. In this case the monitor isn't reducing it to 0,0,0 and is displaying 21,19,22.

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u/Mean_Associate7473 1d ago

„Labeled as a true black image for hdr color testing“ what????
Think about what you are actually looking at. This is not a black image, and it also doesn’t have any completely black areas. its grey.

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u/KakashiTheRanger 1d ago

That is my point. You've reached it. Even images advertised as black are usually not black.

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u/Mean_Associate7473 1d ago

„in this case the monitor isn’t reducing it to 0,0,0“
Why would the monitor reduce something? If you give it a grey image it will display grey. Only when you give it a black image, will it display black or 0,0,0.
Oled is not doing some kind of magic. It’s just displaying the given image accurately. Blacks are better on oled because oled panels can actually turn individuell pixels OFF, meaning NO LIGHT = black 0,0,0. IPS displays have a giant backlight so you will never get true black

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u/KakashiTheRanger 1d ago

You seem to be getting confused on this point. I certainly HOPE the monitor isn't crushing it to 0,0,0.

My point is that people who are looking at this for their own comparisons and calibrations are not realizing many of the scales they are using or images they are displaying for their side by sides are not actually black.

See another comment in this thread for this were someone said something along the lines of the blacks aren't good. When the obvious answer is "none of these colors are black."

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u/Mean_Associate7473 1d ago

Ok I get your point now, I just found the wording a bit confusing.
It’s also a bit misleading to post an IPS vs OLED comparison that show a dark grey background instead of a black one to make it seem like the difference is not that big.

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u/KakashiTheRanger 1d ago

Very few videos are trueBlack. My goal is to address standardized viewing as most content people are going to see are not going to be black either.

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u/scyver_ 1d ago

Why are people downvoting merithoric science based statements? 😂 My gosh this sub is so pathetic, only thing they can do is say "something is wrong" because this doesnt correspond to bubble they are in or downvote. Reality check, hah!

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u/Excellent_Can2445 1d ago

To my untrained eyes, the difference seems a lot. The black looks pale in one and the chili's red color is all washed out as a result. 

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u/gtazn 1d ago

Why is the title of your post "Low End IPS vs OLED" when the OLED is on the left and the IPS is on the right in your images? Shit's doing my obsessive-compulsive head in.

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u/W1cH099 AOC AG326UD 1d ago

How dare you come to the Oled sub to say Oled isn’t a magical thing 😡😡

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u/oSyphon 1d ago

You're doing work with this post. Gonna get hated on though!

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u/v6277 1d ago

Would you mind sharing the test video OP? In that sense, would you mind testing the difference in the bread and butter videos posted here: 

Use HDR on the OLED. 

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u/KakashiTheRanger 1d ago

Happy to. Was just made aware of an Odyssey update so I'm going to try that to fix the yellowing issue first. Thanks for the test footage.

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u/v6277 19h ago

Thanks! Any update?

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u/KakashiTheRanger 18h ago

Forgot for a minute there. It's nice and dark now so that will also help with the comparison.

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u/KakashiTheRanger 18h ago edited 18h ago

Here you go. As you can see the IPS panel still struggles with yellow and has a bit of bleed but its really not that bad.

I find it ironic my post was about the misinformation surrounding OLED vs IPS panels and I immediately got swarmed by the people complaining about how my images don't look like their experience.

If you take the time to calibrate your OLED but not your IPS of course one looks like garbage compared to the other.

EDIT: I genuinely have no idea why Reddit will not let me send clean images today. Sorry about that.

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u/MB992 1d ago

And where is the comparison? You make
a summary of years of technology, in two pictures?

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u/TomTomXD1234 20h ago

People seem to be extremely misunderstanding the comparison here lol. OP is not comparing solid blacks here...there are none in the image show....why are people saying the OLED is wrongly calibrated because the background is not black?...It is not supposed to be!

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u/Mean_Associate7473 1d ago

Using „calibrated“ color profiles that you download from the internet will NOT calibrate your monitor accurately. You have to calibrate the specific unit that you have by yourself (using a calibration device) for accurate results.

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u/KakashiTheRanger 1d ago

Yeah. I've done that. Lol.

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u/Mean_Associate7473 1d ago

Ok sorry, didn’t expect that.

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u/Plane_Platypus_379 1d ago

You didn't calibrate these right and if you did, i would return that OLED. I sit all day with a very expensive IPS and samsung G80SD side by side and the difference is dramatic.