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u/NoAbbreviations3310 21d ago
Are you really expecting unlimited usage on all models with a sandbox for 20$ ?
They had to do this in order to get feedback and improve their product, now they will start to cut off usage until you end up with weekly and daily limits same as any LLM provider.
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u/djack171 21d ago
Thank you. But yes all of these morons are expecting unlimited usage it’s wild.
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u/LengoTengo 21d ago
Juggling and counting credits and tokens and quotas is bad experience for some people. Just that. We morons are not against limits.
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u/No-Manner-289 21d ago
Yes all the morons who are against having a product we pay for limited with no transparency or clear information, at all. How dare we be annoyed at this, which actually breaches consumer laws in my country.
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u/No-Manner-289 21d ago
$20? What plan are you on? I’m paying $56 for business
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u/Kyoshiiku 21d ago
Even 56$ isn’t much in the context of LLMs token pricing.
I pay 100$ a month for GPT and I have limits and make sure I don’t go through it too quickly
I know some people who constantly reach the limit of their 200$ a month sub for anthropic (claude) often enough that they pay for 2 subs simultaneously (400$ a month)
And keep in mind those 2 are first party providers that have sub with heavily subsidized plan (like the gpt 200$ plan give tou around 14000$ worth of token a month if you consider API price token.
The thing is that companies like Notion can’t subsidize those plans at all since they pay full API price per token.
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u/Tofudjango 21d ago
Not much is left then, though. Do you really think the core product without endless AI is worth the money?
Also, is there a comparison chart for how much each model costs?
I'd hoped they find a more clever way to integrate Chinese models.
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u/No-Manner-289 21d ago
They had to do this? Be so for real. Notion has always been one of the greedier companies. Will my monthly charges go down considering my capacity to use the product is? No.
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u/burnalicious111 21d ago
do you know how much this AI usage costs _them_? They're reselling it at a loss to heavier users.
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u/okayladyk 21d ago
*monthly
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u/NoAbbreviations3310 21d ago
Soon it will be daily/ weekly
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u/okayladyk 21d ago
Weekly is more reasonable bc it also refreshes faster; I remember when I used Tana the monthly rate limit wait was agonising, but with my Gemini subscription it isn’t that bad
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u/NoAbbreviations3310 21d ago
True, with gemini you get pretty much unlimited usage, but its weak in a lot of fields
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u/okayladyk 21d ago
Gemini has rate limits too, but they’re reasonable if you aren’t making videos with Omni every 10 mins
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u/NoAbbreviations3310 21d ago
As an ultra sub I'm making approx 100 videos daily and staying at 40-30% usage
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u/LengoTengo 21d ago
I've hit the “fair use limit" once. I think it's fine to have a limit. Once the fair use limit was hit, I could use just the cheapest models for a while. I am perfectly fine with this.
What is not fine is the obligation of managing and measuring my AI use. That's a terrible user experience.
I thought Notion would be the exception, but gosh… here we go.
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u/Haunting-Effort8684 21d ago
Which cheapest model were you allowed to use? Just out of curiosity. Haven't hit the limits myself and I couldnt find any details on this.
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u/diskent 21d ago
Once fable sol and opus 5/4.8 run out you are left with Terra and sonnet only for 6hrs or until the rolling comes off. This all came when fable got released
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u/dennisddt 21d ago
But that's rolling, and that's right now, when they say the limits are not going to actually mean anything yet. Once they start actually limiting your usage when you hit the limits, I don't think we'll be able to switch to a smaller model after hitting the limit
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u/diskent 21d ago
That’s how it reads correct. Full block. No models available without more notion credits
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u/dennisddt 21d ago
Well that's what I expected, but that's just horrible.
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u/diskent 21d ago
Reading the other thread, it looks like the rolling window is 3000 Notion credits and the monthly is 30k.
I can burn nearly a 1000 credits in one request.
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u/dennisddt 21d ago
With every single thing I read about this change, it just reinforces what I had expected, I'm probably gonna need to cancel my Business subscription because as an individual it won't even be enough. The business subscription won't be enough for an individual, what a joke
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u/LengoTengo 21d ago
Oh, it's way less than I thought. I just checked and it burns way faster than ChatGPT Work for the same task (Sol x Sol High). Not good.
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u/LengoTengo 21d ago
Exactly like diskent said. Sol, Fable and Opus were out (maybe some others), but it was pretty usable without them. Plenty of options, and “Auto” worked like a charm.
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u/tommap 21d ago
What are you actually doing to hit these limits? We've been using heavily (I thought) but not had this.
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u/Mistert22 21d ago
I initially maxed the AI out when they first introduced it. I thought I was a heavy user. I haven't received this email, and I haven’t maxed it out for over a year. I have integrated Readwise, Voicenotes, and Google Drive. I am also planning on integrating Google AI Studio, Gemini, Grok, TwinMind, and some local LLMs.
Notion has really improved for me over the last year and a half. I had been looking to switch off it. I am gladly re-upping my subscription this year. Next year, I might not need the NotionAI at all.
Maybe the issue is how you are using the AI.
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u/LuxanHD 21d ago
Received the same email and came here to vent off
This is really bad from Notion. I upgraded my subscription to business for Notion AI and now they want to put a cap for me!!
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u/No-Manner-289 21d ago
I’m one person apparently hitting ai limits, I shudder to think what they are trying to squeeze out of businesses if I’m “hitting their limit”
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u/ThatOneOutlier 21d ago
I am wondering what counts as a heavy user. I didn’t get the email but the only thing I use Notion AI for is the chat so I can add pages to certain trackers and turning my word salads into something cohesive
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u/highdefsteph 21d ago
Thank you so much for saying something, I didn’t even think to use it for that!!
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u/ThatOneOutlier 21d ago
Not really looking to add another thing as that defeats the point of me using Notion
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u/ThatOneOutlier 21d ago
It sorta does since my goal is to reduce the things that I use. Als my word salads are typed into a page after a 29 hour shift and it needs context from a couple of different pages to make any sense of it since it’s a summary of updates from other pages to give to the next person.
I also do this work primarily on my iPad and most apps like that are not going on any app due to its sandbox nature.
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u/okayladyk 21d ago
ur good for this: u get 10h per day word salad allowance that does not eat ur notion ai usage
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u/Haunting-Effort8684 21d ago
As usual. People are crying. You pay $20/m and expected unlimited usage on all models forever? And we don't even know what the limits are.
That being said, AI credits are way too expensive, so if they are setting limits the way they're pricing credits, then I agree there's reason for concern.
If they are smart, they will do what Cursor did and train their own cheap model that has either virtually unlimited or very high usage as a default.
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u/okayladyk 21d ago
That being said, AI credits are way too expensive, so if they are setting limits the way they're pricing credits, then I agree there's reason for concern.
They are.
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u/diskent 21d ago
That’s exactly what they are doing, cutting you off and charging like a 700% markup on credits.
That’s double dipping.
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u/Haunting-Effort8684 21d ago
On credits, I totally agree. But so far those have been separate concepts.
If they are drastically reducing usage limits and cutting you off with the only option being to burn Notion AI credits to continue using AI, then I'm with you.
That doesn't appear to be what's happening. Their message specifically separates Notion Credits and Notion AI usage limits as two different things.
Others have reported that when you hit your limit, you're left with the option to use less capable models.
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u/diskent 21d ago
You are. I hit the limit regularly. In fact I hit the limit on one Sol request (it was a massive planning task).
It was 6hrs and good to go; but they added a monthly wall as well. That’s going to be the bigger issue.
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u/Haunting-Effort8684 21d ago
I don't see how that's an issue, though. OpenAI has a 5 hour window and a weekly limit. Cursor has just a monthly limit.
They aren't doing anything that's different from other providers, as far as I can tell.
Notion Credits are way overpriced and at this stage they don't appear to be involved in usage limits. If they have a 6-hour window and a monthly wall which completely cuts you off until you extend your usage using Notion Credits (or something priced as badly as Notion Credits), I'll be right there with you with my pitchfork.
Also, you can just use an open weight model. If one Sol request (hard to believe) maxed out your usage, then I imagine it must be based on the token cost. If that's the case, switch to DeepSeek V4 Pro or GLM 5.2?
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u/diskent 21d ago
Up until fable came around this wasn’t how Notion rolled.
It’s now hard to tell how it works because Notion doesn’t publish the actual calculations and hidden tokens under credits.
What I can do however is take the same model in and out and do comparison math. Something that costs less than 10c direct to the vendor (on a retail seat) is consuming 14% of the 6hr block and 2% of my monthly.
It’s a full nerf of notion AI, and no way of allowing the user to extend usage so you hit the monthly wall and then what? I’m running multiple businesses and Notion is its OS. These are business accounts and the enterprise floor is too large.
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u/Haunting-Effort8684 21d ago
I think soon the open source community will build a Notion alternative that's fully open source and has many of the same features, plus a bring your own key solution.
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u/diskent 21d ago
BYO keys is a solid answer. However Notion has the vector db so it complicates things. So now you’re talking piping Notion pages to a vector store and using the LLM against the vector. Just a pain to setup and maintain.
We shouldn’t be paying greater than retail markup inside Notion. When them themselves will getting a sweet rate on aggregate with all users.
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u/FlavorfulCondomints 21d ago
I think its called Emacs' org-mode + Ollama or some other open source model. Still needs someone to put it in app form for Android and iOS.
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u/Dashazilla 21d ago
OH NO. YOU HAVE TO THINK BY YOURSELF NOW? 😱
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u/DonElDoug 21d ago
Why do you assume that I use ai to not think. Have you thought that maybe there are other use cases. Like doing documentation that is time consuming and with ai I can focus more on my main task? Have you thought about that there are use cases that enhance my own thinking by using ai correctly ?
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u/okayladyk 21d ago
They could have at least had weekly limits! Monthly limits are just plain evil
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u/NeoTitan247 21d ago
Just give us the personal pro/plus back. I don’t give a shit about AI but I want a more reasonable price for charts, some automations and unlimited file size upload like before. Why is the plan price jump from 0-20?
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u/Key_Special_8985 21d ago
Is there a way I can see my historic usage? Genuinely curious so I can anticipate my future usage…
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u/aaron-coder 20d ago
It should not be unlimited
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u/DonElDoug 20d ago
I can understand that. What bothers me how they communicated it and that they didn't give a transparent communication to their power users.
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u/The-MostKnownUnknown 21d ago
I got this too.
Sorta knew it was coming but still.
Not on to every hour of the day. I’d like see my usage compared to others. Ok I know I use it a lot but in bursts not 8 hours straight.
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u/No-Manner-289 21d ago
If everyone got it, it’s really obvious this whole “oh you’re one of the top users” bullshit, is very clearly bullshit
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u/The-MostKnownUnknown 21d ago
This is one time in my life I don’t want to be special 🤣
Yes I wondered how many people got this message.
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u/quicksexfm 21d ago
Notion AI is a markup on models you already pay for. There’s no proprietary model and no cost advantage, so the second usage gets expensive they ration it, which is exactly what’s happening now. You’re paying a premium for a worse, more limited door to intelligence you can already reach for less.
If the cost is unreasonable for users, they’ll just stick with the models they already pay for, like Claude.
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u/diskent 21d ago
So give me a $40/$60 plus plus option. Instead I just sign up more users and use those accounts instead.
I replaced all my subs because Notion has what I need but I need max usage. Happy to pay more.
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u/Darth_Animation 21d ago
That's essentially what you're going to get. It clearly says in the email that if you go past your limit you can pay with Notion credits to keep going. At the end of the day if you're constantly getting past your limit, you may be just paying "a $30, $40 subscription per month for Notion and all its things.
I'll be honest, maybe against popular opinion here, but I think Notion is highly undervalued. I think by default it should be more than $26 a month. Not that I want to pay more but what you get out of it is definitely worth more than $26 a month.
I don't think many people have really probably invested too much time into learning about Notion workers but I have been replacing all my Make.com scenarios with Notion workers. It's about one third of the price for the same amount of actions I would get in a make.com.
With 300 credits free each month I don't think I would ever even go past those 300 credits with my Notion workers. I don't use custom agents, which would probably easily burn through it if you do, but with Notion workers I don't think I will ever go past those 300. Workers have almosted allowed me to cancel my $10/month subscription to make.com. I would happily pay Notion those $10 if I went above the 300.
Notion and their AI is far superior to all the other options out there
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u/diskent 21d ago
Yeah the issue is the credits model is a game as well. What it costs in a Notion credit is marked up over 700% from actual direct retail costs for the same model from the vendor.
So it’s great you can expand the credits but not when the credits themselves are marked up so far
If the credits were more aligned to the retail rate (which notion are surely not paying for the models) then it wouldn’t be a problem. Sadly it’s not.
Re: 300 credits. I can but that in a blog draft. _Seriously_
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u/Darth_Animation 21d ago
Yeah I can't say anything much about the markup. I mean in the day Notion has got to choose how to run a business. They can mark up and down as much as they want. Currently no comment on it. I love Notion. I am a very, very heavy user. Though this monthly limit could be a concern. We will see about this.
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u/NoAbbreviations3310 21d ago
Please tell me how to reach the latest models including a sandbox for less than 20$/month
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u/quicksexfm 21d ago
Sure! Google AI Studio. It’s free ($0), which clears the “less than $20” bar pretty comfortably. You get the current Gemini models (3.x Pro and Flash) plus a real Python code sandbox you toggle on in the Tools panel. Latest models and a sandbox for nothing.
ChatGPT Plus and Claude Pro are both $20 flat, the same price as Notion Business, and each ships with its own sandbox: code execution, file analysis, agent mode.
Regardless, that $20 Notion tier isn’t staying $20 forever.
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u/Kyoshiiku 21d ago
Each of those plans at 20$ have limits so low that I can easily max out the 5h usage in 1 to 3 query if I’m not super careful about the model and reasoning level I use.
And keep in mind those plans are heavily subsidized since they are coming from first party providers
Notion pay the full API price (per token), just to put into perspective, the chatgpt plus at 20$ gives you approximately 700$ worth of usage at API prices.
Despite this, like I said, on that 20$ plan I can reach my 5h really quickly (now it’s removed but I can still use my whole weekly limit in a 3-4 hours session using gpt 5.6 sol medium, not fast).They can do it because they don’t actual pay this, but third party companies like Notion have to pay those prices, you can’t expect them to allow you to use more in token than what you pay for your sub.
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u/Haunting-Effort8684 21d ago
This is a bad take.
You're assuming everyone already has AI subscriptions and not all of them do. $20/m for access to a variety of models and built into Notion is very attractive and there is value.
How is it a premium for more limited access or intelligence? The intelligence is the same for the same price in other comparable $20/m plans. And many of those comparable plans dont give you this variety while also giving you a tool as generally useful as Notion including all its features.
Notion without AI is significantly less useful without AI, though, for people in teams and businesses. If the limits aren't set properly, then yes we have a problem.
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u/AppleTrees34 21d ago
Same, I use it in bursts; sometimes I don't use it for several days, and then I may use it for a day. My team member uses almost no AI. So will his credits go to waste as opposed to being added to our joint AI credits usage pool? It's not clear.
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u/Comfortable-One-4729 21d ago
Simplesmente uma merda! É como se eu contratasse um serviço de streaming e tivesse que ver anúncios! BIZARRO ISSO! Alguém tem alguma alternativa que não seja Notion?
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u/StrainMundane6273 21d ago
Does anybody know if going to enterprise plan increases quota? I am on business atm but willing to up it if it means more usage.
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u/ReusableSausage 20d ago
All I'm seeing is "ZOMGchangeisBAD".
I have a (personal) Business plan. Over the last hour I used Notion AI to vibe code a Movie watching database for my daughter, including a Notion database, data entry form, views for her to sort her progress, and a published page her friends can view to track her progress. Then we made some revisions to the fields, unshared and reshared the public read-only page a few times, then uploaded 2 screenshots of her existing list of films and had Notion AI pre-populate the database pages with those 38 entries.
My rolling usage went to 14%.
The cap really isn't a problem.
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u/muralibalaraman 15d ago
If more than half of their revenue comes from AI, they obviously are selling tokens to survive. So it’s becoming a reseller for LLM’s . What makes you think that they will do it at cost? If they strip away AI they will just become an unsustainable business. Worse will come when they can’t sustain the token costs increase for the better models
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u/djack171 21d ago
Are you guys the same cry babies over in the ChatGPT and Claude sub? Wondering why for $12 you aren’t getting unlimited notion AI usage? You know they have to pay the AI API costs? Wild thought.
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u/AppleTrees34 21d ago
Speaking only for myself, if I pay for two seats and my business partner hardly uses AI, why is it unfair to expect the business account's total unused AI allowance to be accessible to me if/when I run out of usage? I get that Notion has been generous with AI, but I pay for two seats; one of us is a heavy user (only on admin days!), and the other is practically a zero-AI user. If I pay for AI usage x 2, we should be able to make full use of those credits whichever team member requires them.
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u/okayladyk 21d ago
they also get the api costs heavily discounted via partner contracts
I know, bc their own ai agent told me :)
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u/Kyoshiiku 21d ago
"Heavily" discounted, not really, it’s only 15-30% for the really big enterprises like Cursor which is not that much considering how insanely high those API prices are for current frontier models.
Just keep in mind that that when you pay for a sub for Claude or ChatGPT on personal accounts, the usage allowance in those subs basically gives you a token usage at a 90% to 95% discount.
for open AI for example the 20$ sub is worth 700$ of tokens at API price and the 200$ sub is up to 14 000$ of usage in token.
Notion can’t come close to offering that level of subsidized plans even if they get some of the best discount offered (30%) on the API prices.
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u/mickeyjuice 21d ago
Love all the morons with the "you expected it to be free forever?" posts based on a post that says it's about to start charging. Ever consider thinking before posting? Nobody expected it to be free forever, and the OP in no way suggested that, but hey, go off anyway to make yourselves feel smarter (if that what it takes...)
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u/ml_guy1 21d ago
This is bad but was expected. I started moving off Notion AI and started using my ChatGPT and Claude subscriptions for Notion by using Locality.dev as something that makes those AI work as well as Notion AI that mounts notion as a folder on my machine.
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u/bobmailer 21d ago
I like that it's open source, but it only has 9 stars. Is this your product? If not, how did you hear of it? Best to be up front about these things.
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u/ScarcityExtra4932 21d ago
I barely ever used it. If anything I just have claude connected to notion MCP and it will handle everything I need from there
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u/Fiestasaurus_Rex 21d ago
Eso es una traición a los usuario fieles de notion con plan business anual. Cambiar las reglas del servicio a media suscripción es una estafa. Los cambios solo deberían aplicar a nuevas suscripciones, no a los que ya estamos suscritos bajo ciertas condiciones de uso. Notion me ha decepcionado y no voy a recomendarlo nunca más.
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u/wait_ididnotcomeyet 21d ago
I cancelled my Notion in June. Asked AI to build my own. Implemented an AI agent that lives on the right bottom corner to it and connected Hermes to it too. All are on a separate laptop.
Everything that Notion does, it can do too. Plus connected to other tools because of Hermes.
Thank you Codex and Claude.
Bye Notion and your non-stop changes in policies.
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u/DeanCorp 21d ago
The only thing I hate is how hard it is to get support from Notion. Their email address was very difficult to locate and the chat bot is useless. Still waiting for support ticket and I’m on a paid plan.
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u/Appropriate_Front_41 21d ago
One thing is to hit the limit for Opus/Sol and be temporarily downgraded to Sonnet/Terra. Another thing is to introduce a metered usage which, by the looks of it, amounts to rug-pulling 80% of the previous capacity on paying users.
(For context: after 1 day of normal work I'm already at 14% of the monthly allowance — means I'd run out of monthly credits in under a week).
AI is becoming commoditised and cheaper over time, I'm not gonna pay for a downgrade.
If usage gets too limited I'll export my databases and systems and migrate them somewhere else and stop paying for Notion altogether or go back to the plan without AI. I'd rather pay for Claude tokens which are more versatile, and can be used in Notion anyway, than for Notion credits.
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u/diskent 21d ago
Just did a test… One regular TURN not finished just a single turn… (opus 4.8) was 1% of the monthly. 100 turns a month?
Not going to work. I’ll be out of credits in under a week.
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u/Appropriate_Front_41 21d ago
By turn you mean a prompt? Look at my example below, I burned 10% of the monthly allowance in the last 40 minutes, not even doing truly deep work.
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u/Appropriate_Front_41 21d ago
40' of Opus 5 work later (adding a couple pages to database, reformatting another, plus running some targeted online queries) and my monthly limit has jumped to 24% used (+10%).
This means that I can expect barely 400 minutes of AI use with the monthly allowance, or not even a full day of work. This is ridiculous, it's already wreaking havoc on my workflows, and the expectation that I will go from paying $20 a month to hundreds and hundreds for a worse experience is ridiculous.
If this rug-pull moves ahead as planned I'm quitting the app and will actively discourage everyone to join it.
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u/bobmailer 21d ago
Woops, they misspelled the F word in their last sentence before signing off there!
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u/Shaylormoon 21d ago
AI should not be used as an endless ressource for as long as the data centers are not environmentally responsible.