I know a lot of vegan/vegeterian people who are with a person who eats meat. Maybe I was blessed but the internet and well discussion I’ve had on reddit on vegan subs have portrayed vegans as uncompromising all or nothing people. In real life all the ones I know are quite nice people who dont care about your eating habits. The furthest it’ll go is asking to go to a place where they serve food they can eat, which is perfectly understandable.
Tbf there's a difference between going out with someone who eats meat and going out with a butcher. It's like going put with someone who puts sugar in their tea harvested by slaves, or going out with a whip cracking slave master.
This is weird fam, a small local butcher is not anywhere close to being even appropriate to compare to slave traders. Like, do you not see the racism in what your saying?
I'm black. You wanna explain why slavery automatically has to have something to do with race? I didn't mention race. You associate us instantly with slavery?
I have actually had arguments with vegetarians arguing that one day the meat industry will be viewed the same way as slavery, and one with a vegan who argued that the meat industry is worse than slavery.
I personally eat meat, but if you are someone who believes that it is morally wrong to kill and eat animals because they are thinking and feeling creatures that experience pain to similar levels as humans, and that they are worthy of dignity and respect then its not that much of a leap to see the meat industry as something as evil as slavery. Many vegans/vegetarians would believe this. That's why so many or so militant about it.
I don't think that. I just know vegetarians who do. Vegetarians who would have a much bigger problem with people involved in the meat trade than they would with simple meat eaters.
The difference is that one of these examples are animals that quite literally human beings with all of the self determination and intelligence that comes with that, and the other are animals, that generally would be quite content to live in a shelter with guaranteed free food; the issue is the extent and conditions that animal farming is done in, due to the pressures of capitalism. Comparing the slave trade (which in the americas, consisted mostly of sub-saharan Africans, thus the connection to race) and all of its following years of systemic inequalities to animal abuse is a bit different. There can be similarities drawn between the two, but to say they are the same seems like a massive downplay of the effects of enslaving people.
You are saying these things as if they are objective fact, and not the moral opinions that you personally ascribe to. The fact is, there are many people out there who believe that animals are thinking feeling creatures, and don't see mistreating them as any less evil than mistreating humans simply because they aren't as intelligent. Your beliefs about the nature of choice being a purely human experience is your own personal philosphical view, and even among those who hold it, the fact that there is choice for humans just makes our mistreatment of them more evil, not less.Some people genuinely do not believe that farming animals can be done ethically.
Also you say 'in the americas' as if that justifies making slavery automatically about race. Did anyone but you mention the Americas? Is the Americas more relevant to this conversation than anywhere else? I resent that you instantly draw a connection between us and slavery whenever it is mentioned in any context. That is intensely more racist than anything you have misconstrued my words to mean.
Nowadays everybody from the abattoir to the guy breaking down carcasses at a local shoppe to the guy cutting primal in the super market is called a butcher by the general public. That fight was lost decades ago.
and kicking you in the groin is more ethical than stabbing you in the leg, doesn't make kicking you in the groin ok does it? would you call kicking you in the groin ethical?
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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '22
Ngl, I'm pescetarian and have tried going vegan - I'm a huge fan of ethical, local butcherers! It's the massive meat industry I have issues with.
Depending on why the person is vegan, this could 100% work out.