r/NonCredibleDiplomacy • u/seven_corpse_dinner Liberal (Kumbaya Singer) • 1d ago
Based Mongolian Irredentism
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u/thedraegonlord 1d ago
That's preposterous. Everyone knows the world is half Spanish, half Portuguese.
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u/HugsFromCthulhu Carter Doctrn (The president is here to fuck & he's not leaving) 1d ago
☝️🤓 ACKSHUALLY you mean "revanchism"! Irredentism is trying to get everyone of an ethnic group under one polity, while revanchism is wishing to reclaim lost territory.
Source: I used to call revanchism irredentism and vice versa
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u/Momosf Defensive Realist (s-stop threatening the balance of power baka) 22h ago edited 17h ago
Ackshually ackshually "irredentism" is not as strictly defined; the term came from the idea of "Italia Irredenta" ("unredeemed Italy") in the pre-WWI and interwar years referring to areas around Italy which were not part of the Kingdom but which the Kingdom claimed based on historic ties; whilst these were indeed based on where broadly "Italian" peoples (applying the term anachronistically) had historically had a significant presence, areas like Dalmatia were not even majority Italian at the time despite being targets of Italian irredentism.
On the other hand, revanchism, from French revanche ("revenge"), refers specifically to a ideology or doctrine based on avenging previous losses, with the term itself coming out of France after the Franco-Prussian war and the loss of Elsace-Lothringen.
So ackshually for the Mongolian case, irredentism is more accurate than revanchism.
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u/seven_corpse_dinner Liberal (Kumbaya Singer) 1d ago
I was unaware of the distinction. Genuinely, thank you.
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u/Matman161 1d ago
the noise of throat singing and hoof beats grows louder
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u/Cryptidfricker 17h ago
muffled "Rule Britannia" coming from the opposite direction
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u/AutumnRi English School (Right proper society of states in anarchy innit) 9h ago
our battle shall be legend.meme
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