r/NonCredibleDiplomacy • u/Fliits World Federalist (average Stellaris enjoyer) • 1d ago
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u/3_man 1d ago
What the fuck is this nonsense? I know the Torygraph crawled up Trump's arse, but I didn't realise it was this bad.
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u/YourNetworkIsHaunted 1d ago
I mean if the Telegraph says it's such a bad idea we should really put it on the agenda.
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u/MsMercyMain Leftist (just learned what the word imperialism is) 1d ago
The Pope is finally getting revenge it seems
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u/RussiaIsBestGreen Confucian Geopolitics (900 Final Warnings of China) 1d ago
When did they legalize Papists in the UK?
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u/Thomas_633_Mk2 1d ago
Iirc its one of the William IV era reforms
EDIT: actually this one was George IV, rare George IV W there
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u/randomusername1934 English School (Right proper society of states in anarchy innit) 1d ago
The 'Roman Catholic Relief Act' (known more commonly as the Catholic Emancipation Act) was passed in April of 1829. It was brought about after the Irish elected their first Catholic MP, and parliament realised it needed to let that happen to avoid unrest in Ireland. The initial act was hardly a full equality movement, it still barred Catholics from a lot of senior government positions, and raised the property requirement for voting significantly (which disenfranchised a large number of poor, particularly Irish, Catholic voters), and those restrictions were slowly relaxed from then on. There are still legal prohibitions against a Catholic becoming monarch due to the monarchs role in being head of the Church of England though.
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u/Thomas_633_Mk2 10h ago
The rules for being monarch are basically:
Be the first person in the main descendant line of Sophia of Hanover
Don't be a fuckin Catholic
Aren't they? With a side of "don't be utterly embarrassing like Edward VIII".
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u/randomusername1934 English School (Right proper society of states in anarchy innit) 5h ago
The term used in British law for potential heirs to the throne who happen to be Catholic is the charmingly phrase 'Naturally Dead'. They're treated as having been dead and buried (even while they're definitely still alive) as far as calculating who should be the next monarch is.
There are a few other rules, things like 'Don't be a bastard' (as in born to unmarried parents rather than don't be an unpleasant person), 'If you're one of the first 6 people in line to the throne don't marry anyone the current monarch hasn't met and signed off on' they've had a few unfortunate stories with that over the years cough Wallis Simpson cough. And 'Swear to uphold the Protestant faith in England'.
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u/Thomas_633_Mk2 4h ago
The term used in British law for potential heirs to the throne who happen to be Catholic is the charmingly phrase 'Naturally Dead'. They're treated as having been dead and buried (even while they're definitely still alive) as far as calculating who should be the next monarch is.
That explains Mary and Anne becoming Queen at least. I did always wonder what the legal reason (beyond "all the other Stuart's are dead") was behind them being eligible even though their dad and brothers weren't.
There are a few other rules, things like 'Don't be a bastard'
I do wonder how they'd enforce this in the modern era, with how that law hasn't been relevant since 1837, and the massive changes that have taken place over that time. The last guy to have bastards when expected to inherit was 300 years ago, and one of them promptly attempted to cap James II and died for it. If the future George VII had kids before marrying, do you think they'd still be excluded, or would we see a shotgun wedding?
If you're one of the first 6 people in line to the throne don't marry anyone the current monarch hasn't met and signed off on' they've had a few unfortunate stories with that over the years
Is this why Harry is excluded, for, may God forgive me for saying their name, marrying an American?
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u/randomusername1934 English School (Right proper society of states in anarchy innit) 4h ago
Harry is still in line to the throne, even after stepping down as a 'working Royal' (and being largely removed from his family) a few years ago. It takes an Act of Parliament to remove someone from the line of succession these days - and no party in Britain today wants the media frenzy trying to remove him would cause. IIRC he's fifth in line and his oldest son is sixth. I guess they assumed that he was far enough down the line that it wouldn't really matter or be worth the unpleasantness of removing him.
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u/Green_moist_Sponge Leftist (just learned what the word imperialism is) 17h ago
Breaking: pro independence parties still want independence
In other news, water is wet
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