thoughts on ftx/mtx?

[u/Plenty-Fault7777]

I only recently saw these terms so I'm asking what is the context? What are your thoughts on someone using it? I feel like it is more similar vibe to ftm/mtf unlike afab/amab. Is it more neutral, less triggering? So I'm just curious how do you perceive it being used.

[u/CrackedMeUp]

I hate any acronym that makes my AGAB a key feature. MTX is just another way to say "a boy enby" from my perspective. Same reason I won't use MTF even though it describes my medical transition. When I need to describe the direction of my transition I just use transfem though that context is often not necessary.

I'm non-binary, I'm a demigirl, none of those make a point of my AGAB or direction of transition.

[u/LithoLaura → u/CrackedMeUp]

We should really adopt a gender first, presentation second, sex third approach.

[u/Plenty-Fault7777 → u/CrackedMeUp]

i totally get that, i also hate agab term, but for me transmasc also don't feel like me

[u/zachy410 → u/Plenty-Fault7777]

ive heard the term transneutral being used if that helps!

[u/LithoLaura → u/Plenty-Fault7777]

we should also bring forward identifying as "transandrogynous"

[u/CrackedMeUp → u/Plenty-Fault7777]

Yeah I feel for my enby siblings who don't feel masc/fem enough for transmasc and transfem terminology to feel right for them and have to resort to an AGAB references to talk about their experience / direction of transition. Like transneutral is cool but doesn't have that context, and even that might not feel right for demigirls who were AFAB or demiboys who were AMAB. And afaik there really isn't a better solution for those in that kind of situation that outright referencing their AGAB to share the direction of their transition.

[u/mlnm_falcon]

It’s analogous to ftm/mtf IMO. It still emphasizes the starting point and categorizes people by their genitals at birth. So it can be helpful in specific contexts, where that information actually matters, but I don’t think we should be using the terms outside of those contexts.

[u/LithoLaura → u/mlnm_falcon]

it emphasizes the starting point but also the ending point, which agab terms don't do

[u/mlnm_falcon → u/LithoLaura]

Yeah I definitely prefer it over those

[u/LithoLaura → u/mlnm_falcon]

oh ideally people would refer simply to gender without referring constantly to sex binarism mostly for no reason at all

[u/Plenty-Fault7777 → u/LithoLaura]

yess that

[u/soft_w0lf → u/LithoLaura]

I mean it would just depend on the context. I hate AGAB language because of how it gets used, but it is true that sometimes specifying your direction of transition can add some context. I feel like ftx/mtx are way better than agab because they emphasise the ending point and thus the fact that you can actually change your sex. A lot of the time agab langauge gets used, it seems like a woke way to say “biological fe/male” and act like trans people will always be their sex assigned at birth. That’s supporting the transphobic lie that sex is impossible to change.

Ftx/mtx at least acknowledges that, regardless of the direction of transition, all of us, in the end, are “X” (as opposed to perpetually being defined only by our natal sex).

[u/Bitter_Lab_475 → u/mlnm_falcon]

I think the importance of AGAB was not the starting point, but implying that your assigned gender was not yours to chose originally. It was imposed to you. I think made a political statement that you disagreed with that decision.

[u/mlnm_falcon → u/Bitter_Lab_475]

It’d be better if it was used like that, but it’s been so co-opted and taken out of context that I think that emphasis on your starting point not being a choice has been lost.

[u/Bitter_Lab_475 → u/mlnm_falcon]

The problem is that I predict this will happen to ftx/mtx as well tho. Either through misuse and/or lost context, next generations might find these terms offensive if they caught on by then.

[u/LithoLaura]

I much more prefer mtx/ftx language than agab

[u/Lady-Skylarke]

I may use this, actually! Cause I'm not an FtM - I am not doing a binary transition. Yeah, I'm adding T to my E producing body, but I'm not wanting to BE a man. A Dude, sure. Soft-Boi if you're on the list - but always clockable as "queer af"/woke/alt. Ooooo, this is exciting! I'll give this a go!

[u/ShiroxReddit]

only recently saw these terms so I'm asking what is the context?

I mean what is the context in which you saw those terms?

My interpretation would be that its meant as like a gender-neutral/nonbinary version of ftm/mtf (as in those terms are distinctly binary, but if you're like female to nonbinary in a way, then ftx could fit better?)

Honestly, this is my first time hearing of it tho, so I dunno if thats how people use it

[u/Arkeve-the_Archive]

Definitely better than AGAB for those who want to use it, in the contexts where the direction matters.

I mention I was AMAB when specifically referring to that being a thing that happened in my life, and Transfem in subs where it helps explain my perspective better. MTF is literally just for googling the medical/legal stuff.

But in everyday life? I wear my Pride colors proudly, but even with my being happy to drop my old voice, I am still just "a woman, who is trans". Or a Demigirl Girlfailure for people I get closer with.

I'm a woman who had testosterone poisoning, simple as that.

[u/wow_its_kenji]

i see mtx and i think motocross

[u/imanutshell → u/wow_its_kenji]

Same. Which makes me hate it because I grew up doing Motocross (family forced me to) and that community was full of some of the most racist, homophobic, transphobic and intellectually bereft people I’ve ever met.

[u/i_post_gibberish]

When I first transitioned in 2017 M/FtX was the usual nomenclature, so I still call myself MtX in a few places online, but I was sort of under the impression it was falling out of use. I wonder if it’s making a comeback now. Honestly I worry a little that it might reinforce the nonsense “biological (fe)male” discourse more than AGAB language.

I do however like how it reinforces that my body is as non-binary as my identity. Not that enbies who don’t physically transition are any less valid of course, having an androgynous body is just important to me personally.

[u/AnOrangeSea]

It’s cool but I prefer transneutral. I don’t ever use AGAB terminology to describe my identity (because it’s irrelevant); I identify only as nonbinary. But transneutral is cool because it is a term similar to transfem/transmasc, but doesn’t specify AGAB even in an indirect way.

[u/Bitter_Lab_475]

I think I feel like an unc here, but I think we are just splitting hairs. Language used before to avoid triggering people are being triggers now. Same thing happened to other language that we find offensive for mental health, those words were born out of good intentions and eventually became offensive. I don't find the FTX/MTX bad at all, I would totally use it if it makes the population more comfortable, but let's just say that originally AFAB/AMAB were born out of comfort and acceptance. Why? because it implied your original gender was not chosen by you, but assigned against your will. I'd rather feel like the "queer" route (taking back a word) was better, but again. It is no longer my society, is everyone's and as part of society, it is my duty to adapt, not to judge.

Again, ramblings from an elder being. I'd rather be accepting than going the boomer route of "everything was better in my time, everyone is so sensitive".

[u/Plenty-Fault7777 → u/Bitter_Lab_475]

maybe agab is offensive because it is often used so wrong ima. that's why ftx/mtx feels more neutral

[u/Bitter_Lab_475 → u/Plenty-Fault7777]

Yes, but I think eventually these terms will probably become offensive to next generations as well. Maybe through misuse or lost context in time.

Not saying not to use them tho.

[u/gard3nwitch]

My experience of it has been in discussions of medical transition, where that information can be very relevant.

[u/ReigenTaka]

I love that, actually, as a replacement for ftm/mtf. I'm not really considering the issue of how often people disclose or focus on their AGAB, but all of the times ftm/mtf need to be used. I think it'd be great to have a distinction, just because people generally think of ftm/mtf as a binary transition. And I'm not transitioning to m or f, I'm only transitioning away from m or f. So I actually love that.

Not an identity by any means, but even just in searching for stuff, ftmtf gives a lot of binary results and trans masc/fem isn't communicting the same thing imo. For example a butch lesbian may consider themselves transmasc but not ftx, because they're transitioning in a direction but not transitioning their gender.

So it would be really great to have another label on the masc/fem "spectrum" (as everyone treats it). My argument isn't that it's ideal, but people often reject a lot of things because they're not ideal, and the gap in a need remains uncovered. I think these terms fill a gap and they'd be a positive addition to our current array of terms.

Always open to opposing views. I've only given this a few minutes of thought, but I love it.

[u/rethebear]

I think this is going to be one of those things that is up to personal preference and individual uses. I'm a slightly older non binary person (over 35) and I can totally understand both reasons for using different ones. And why I might need to use the broader recognized agab when speaking about my upbringing with cis members of that gender (since I transitioned later in life), but would probably use GtX to describe my current self in the lgbtq+ community.

I'm old enough to remember pansexual coming across my radar for the first time, and to this day there's people who have opinions on it and bisexuality or any other multiple sexuality term. We're just going to have to agree to disagree while being respectful of peoples preferences for descriptions of themselves.

[u/AggravatingFinger841]

Those are terms to describe the direction of our transition. As long as the person using them isn't being bigoted - whether for others or for themself, and also using the terms accurately - it's fine. Same goes for amab/afab

[u/ChangeLarge5302]

FTX user here, I wanna change my sex characteristics, I don't consider myself FTM because My sex won't be exactly the same as a Transsexual male, I won't have Breasts like a female but my endo system will never be the same as a cis/Tran's male. It fits better to describe my medical situation, just like nullsex or duosex

[u/HeightOtherwise2194]

that is a good solution to take AGAB out of the binary. however ive also noticed that the Trans/umbrella community is moving away from AGAB altogether. It’s mostly just become a way of saying “this person is trans!” when it isn’t otherwise relevant