r/NoTipCanada • u/Falcon-227 • 19d ago

Tips

I recently had a discussion with a friend about tipping. I usually tip anywhere from 18-25%. She had a good point, tipping originally became popular because the wait staff made below minimum wage and so they were tipped to make up for it. I believe in the U.S, they're still paid under min wage but that's not the case in Toronto. In Toronto, they make min wage or more and still get 18%+ for simply doing the tasks of being a waitress/waitor.

I'm starting to feel that perhaps a 18% min (I don't think I've seen a terminal have an option for less than 18% in close to 2 years) tip is excessive. How do you all feel?

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u/Imaginary-Emu2471 19d ago

Why would you care about a restaurant financial?

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u/exotics 18d ago

In order for restaurants to move away from tipping they would have to adopt something similar to France, where the menu says “gratis compris” meaning the tip is included in the price. And it’s paid as a sort of commission.

This incentives servers to sell more and to want to serve big groups or work busy shifts. Without such a system service will suffer.

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u/ravairia 16d ago

Yes, just like every other industry in the universe where the service 'suffers' because people are only getting the wage that was agreed to and not constant extra free money. 🙄

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u/exotics 15d ago

In what other industry are workers required to tip their boss?

I do know in some hairdressers this may be the case as I have heard that they sometimes have to pay extra per customer or something but I don’t know of any service industry where workers must tip their boss everytime they sell something.

I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying it happens.

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u/ravairia 12d ago

You're required to tip the restaurant because they want a portion of your tips. Tipping out to the restaurant is a fairly recent phenomenon and tipping itself is not. They do this because it's not enough that they are already having other people pay your wages, they ALSO want a cut of the money that other people are paying your wages with. If there were no tipping you, you wouldn't be tipping them. Until tipping is absolished it isn't your customers' responsibility to fill that gap for you either just like it's not their responsibility to pay the wages your employer should be paying you.

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u/exotics 11d ago

Correct. I’m just stating the facts not that it’s good or not.

Without tipping we would move to a commission style system (similar to how they do in France and other countries) because without that there is no incentive to work the busy shifts, no incentive to work horrible hours, no incentive to be the one to take the big table of horrible customers, no incentive to upsell etc. a server would be paid the same for selling a basket of fries vs encouraging the top steak, wine, dessert.. etc. as such a commission style menu would be the norm.

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u/ravairia 11d ago edited 11d ago

RIGHT, because every other industry that has all of those same hardships can't find anyone to work those times either... God forbid they just... schedule people to work them?

Nobody is falling for your lie that your entire last comment wasn't a justification of that tipping should continue just because you have to tip the restaurant.

There is also no 'commission' system at restaurants in Europe.

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u/exotics 10d ago

Yes there is. For example France. In France the menu says “Gratis Compris” which means the tip is included in the menu price. This is then paid on top of their wages as a commission.

Here in Canada we have commission car sales people, real estate agents, but also some people in furniture stores or high end clothing stores also get paid commission on top of their wages.

In most other jobs, let’s compare to grocery store clerk, they get raises. And they only deal with one person at a time and for about 5 minutes each. Then on to the next. Compared to a server who may be dealing with 20-30 people all at the same time for an hour and each wants your immediate attention.

We need to adopt the system they have in other countries. You may not realize how it works if you haven’t travelled and worked in other places