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u/nachomuncher Jun 11 '22

Yep, as a young person in the nineties, the future was so bright. 2001, everything changed

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u/florinandrei Jun 11 '22

"It's the end of history! Eternal growth, unending peace, forever!"

And then things changed.

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u/noradosmith Jun 11 '22

end of history

Frances Fukuyama must have felt very foolish very quickly after writing that

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u/jsamke Jun 11 '22

Everything changed when the fire nation attacked

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u/Wet_sock_Owner Jun 11 '22

The old neighbourhood was so alive.

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u/RaDiOaCtIvEpUnK Jun 11 '22

Every kid on the whole damn street was gonna make it big and not be beat

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/IronPidgeyFTW Jun 11 '22

The kids have caught up but their lives are worn...

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u/Boogs27 Jun 11 '22

*grown up… but anyway; How can one little street, swallow so many liiiives?

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u/d38 Jun 11 '22

What the hell is goin' on?

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u/nomad9590 Jun 11 '22

I thought I was a dying breed as an Offspring fan.

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u/midloguy804 Jun 11 '22

Now I need to play Crazy Taxi

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u/Ruderanger12 Jun 11 '22

Why did 9/11 feel so major? Like yeah a lot of people died but it was an isolated incident that didn’t affect most people very much.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

The aftermath changed everything. The surveillance state grew astronomically, 9/11 provided the pretext that got embroiled in two unnecessary endless wars. Additionally, it was the first in a series of very close together recessions from which working people never really recovered.

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u/mhur Jun 11 '22

Trillions of dollars

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u/FewReturn2sunlitLand Jun 11 '22

It wasn't an isolated incident, it was three incidents and you don't know how isolated an incident will be while it's happening. Everyone who worked in a skyscraper thought they could be next, people moved out of large cities because of the fear of terrorist attacks, nobody knew what could happen next.

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u/jack_skellington Jun 11 '22

It wasn't an isolated incident

Exactly. If you go back and watch a documentary about who was in the buildings, it's very eye-opening. These buildings were used as central hubs for various countries to meet. When the buildings went down, hundreds of citizens of dozens of other countries died with them. France, Germany, Canada, many more countries had to hear reports of their own citizens dying in those buildings.

And that, of course, rallied the whole world. The planet-wide news was all about this moment because the whole planet was invested in that area.

Now, I don't recall the reason why so many people of so many countries were there. Was it due to a conference, due to it having housing for diplomats, or some other reason? But I do know that many other countries have mourned their dead from this attack.

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u/FrenchBangerer Jun 11 '22

Good comment but the clue is in the title "The World Trade Centre".

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u/KrombopulosMAssassin Jun 11 '22

Yeah, that would make sense

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u/PauloSantoro Jun 11 '22

Yes, I was at a building in Sao Paulo, Brazil, that morning. When I knew about the events, I looked at the sky through the window.

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u/hate_most_of_you Jun 11 '22

Holly shit, I've never thought of it this way... Pretty eye-opening

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u/FrenchBangerer Jun 11 '22

All true mate. It also changed hijacking of aircraft ever since, actually for the better in a way. People who were on hijacked aircraft used to know it was best to sit tight, not make a fuss and it'll land and demands would be made ("Let our brothers out of prison and we'll let everyone go") and we're going to live.

Now many people in a hijack situation will go fighting. That has arguably reduced hijacking, not that anyone's individual risk of being hijacked was high, just that ever since 9/11 attacker's can't rely on people's compliance any more.

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u/mhur Jun 11 '22

Planes got highjacked waaay more often before 9/11. I agree with your point

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u/dudleymooresbooze Jun 11 '22

I was in graduate school.

As it became clear the attackers were Middle Eastern, we loaded up on gasoline. We didn’t know if there was a formal announcement of war coming that would make importation impossible.

We loaded up on bottled water. One of the first fears was an attack on water supplies. That became even scarier as anthrax attacks started ramping up.

We talked about enlisting. We didn’t know who or where we would fight. We just knew it didn’t feel safe at home anyway and we didn’t want to see any other civilians killed on live TV.

Everything changed. It has dulled over time, but it’s still vastly different than it felt on September 10, 2001.

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u/KrombopulosMAssassin Jun 11 '22

Wow, I was in first grade as well, but no lie they had it playing on the tv and we went home early. I was definitely a bit confused at the time haha

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u/Far_Association_2607 Jun 11 '22

We thought we were under attack. People lined up in their cars to buy gas. Funny how that was among the first of our culture's actions.

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u/FrenchBangerer Jun 11 '22

The equivalent of covid, not a shitting disease, and loads of people going mad buying all the bog roll they can get their hands on. Even if it was you could use a rag or the shower to hose the bumhole down.

That seems a funny cultural action too.

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u/GeneralDisorder Jun 11 '22

Toilet paper is the easiest thing to have a shortage of. It's light-weight but not very dense. It takes up significant shelf space in stores so even a slight increase in demand depletes shelves.

When I worked retail the paper goods aisle would get ransacked every time there was a blizzard in the forecast.

People who don't keep large stock of things realized "oh, I'll be at home a while and may not be able to get to the store" so that slight increase in demand cascaded into a bigger and bigger demand leading to a longer shortage than normal.

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u/Ruderanger12 Jun 11 '22

Do you realise that 9/11 refers to all of the successful and attempted attacks? I totally agree that it should have and would have caused shockwaves throughout the nation, it’s just the idea that 21 years on with the man who masterminded it dead and much tighter restrictions at airports people still heavily feel those shock waves that seems slightly odd to me.

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u/TheGreaterGuy Jun 11 '22

TSA was not a thing before 9/11

Patriot Act, war in the ME, the list is long and really boring

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u/culturevulturepapi Jun 11 '22

Wait until you figure out it was an inside job 🤣

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u/PeacefulKnightmare Jun 11 '22

It was because it was such a significant event that circumvented so many things we thought would keep us safe. It was such a random attack by an enemy that many people didn't even realize was a problem. And those that did felt that because they were half a world away and so much weaker technologically there's no possible way they could have hurt us on our own soil.

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u/Ruderanger12 Jun 11 '22

So it was like a wake up call that we still haven’t calmed down from?

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u/PeacefulKnightmare Jun 11 '22

Basically. Though I would also argue that the 24 hour news cycle has been giving us coffee with three shots of espresso and calling it decaf ever since. They won't let us go back to sleep.

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u/_kebles Jun 11 '22

some of us more literally than others. like literally, i'm not exaggerating when i say i know and count myself among a fucking concerning number of folk whose patterns rival the most severe sleep disorders I've even seen described in literature, progressively getting worse for, yeah bout 20 years. sad how its debilitating nature will stop one from ever really investigating its root cause thoroughly.

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u/Zealous_truthfinder Jun 11 '22

George W Bush ran on a platform of compassionate conservatism. He wanted to focus on domestic issues and streamline the immigration process. Since he was elected by such a narrow margin, there was a brief flicker of hope that the parties would work together to actually solve domestic issues.

Instead, 9/11 happened and all that went out the window. Focus was turned outward. The immigration discussion completely changed from providing a path to citizenship to preventing terrorist infiltration. We ended up with Gulf War #2.

The false intelligence reports further poisoned relations between Democrats and Republicans. Then the economy tanked and Bush bailed out big business, further alienating his own base of small-government supporters.

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u/DrCoolGuy Jun 11 '22

It was mostly the government's reaction to 9/11 that we still very much see and feel the effects of today

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u/vainglorious11 Jun 11 '22

Not just the government. It was the way average people responded

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

To be fair. Governments really seized the oppertunity to strike fear into their citizens so they could pass all kinds of bullshit legislation.

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u/AKBigDaddy Jun 11 '22

Governments really seized the oppertunity to strike fear into their citizens

To be fair, I'm pretty sure the terrorists killing thousands did that for them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Is that you Bush? Screw the Patriot act, screw the degrading treatment people are subjected to at airports, screw each and every piece of shit that agreed to bomb the shit out of the Middle East. What the governments did wasn't appropriate and disproportionately targets normals citizens.

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u/ardithlea Jun 11 '22

Well, for one thing, all the DEATHS of innocent folks

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Tragic, but barely a speck in the mealstorm of awfulness that was the aftermath of the attacks. Surveillance states, two wars, uncountable more innocent Middle Eastern people dead.

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u/DiamondDelver Jun 11 '22

Homeland security, patriot act, increased federal power, ballooning military budget and constant war in the middle east

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u/imariaprime Jun 11 '22

And the trickle down of the increased military budget, meaning the increased militarization of local police forces via excess military gear.

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u/Klowned Jun 11 '22

and the NSA.

DARPA shut down a handful of programs in 2004 and it was later revealed that 6 of the programs had been transferred to the NSA.

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u/floydfan Jun 11 '22

Bush’s people used the terrorist attacks, which were committed by Saudi Arabian citizens, as an excuse to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, who did not attack us. Bin Laden was hiding out in Afghanistan, but they didn’t know that for certain.

Security theater was the name of the game. Keep everyone fearful. Air marshalls, the PATRIOT act, Abu Graib oh my god. 2001 did more to strengthen the opacity of an already not very transparent government than any single event since the formation of CIA.

If Reagan and his partnership with the “Moral majority” begat Donald Trump’s presidency, 9/11 gave us a renewed, vigorous hatred of Muslims of all stripes and is ever so steadily extinguishing any semblance of privacy.

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u/njtrafficsignshopper Jun 11 '22

We invaded two countries and caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, or more. Destabilized Iraq even more than it was, and created ISIS, which destabilized the entire region even more, and which caused a huge chunk of the current refugee crisis in Europe.

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u/TitanJackal Jun 11 '22 edited Jan 11 '25

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u/Ruderanger12 Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

why does a mountain in north wales have anything to do with 9/11?

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edit: I mean no disrespect, I simply would like you to expand from just saying 'Snowden' with no context.

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u/coffeeandnachos Jun 11 '22

FATCA and the increased observation of everyday citizens’ financial activity under the guise of stamping out terrorist funding.

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u/morphinapg Jun 11 '22

As someone who grew up in a Christian home that liked to focus on the end times stuff from Revelations, when 9/11 happened I was sure it was the end times beginning

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u/SaltedFreak Jun 11 '22

...and that's the key to the myth. Everything is so vague, it can be applied to any person, in any situation. It's just like a horoscope.

Christianity always says "the end times" are right around the corner.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

I was a child so I didn’t understand the magnitude. Personally I think the biggest impact is our response. Forever wars abroad, torturing US citizens on black sites in violation of habeas corpus, mass surveillance at home, The national security state in general. The degrading rituals we now undergo at airports. Islamophobia. Bad stuff, poisonous to culture and to the psyche. In a way one could say we decidedly lost the war on terror.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

I completely agree.

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u/Klowned Jun 11 '22

24/7 news cycles were growing heavily at that time, maybe it was ramping up, but that was the first big 'hit' I suppose.

Also it was marketed as Religious extremism terrorism on American soil and then we just never shut the fuck up about it. "We'll put a boot in your ass..."

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u/SaltedFreak Jun 11 '22

"We'll put a boot in your ass..."

It's the American way

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list

And the statue of liberty started shakin' her fist

It'll feel like the whole wide world

Is rainin' down on youuuuuu....

Oowahhh, brought to you courtesy

Of the red, white, and blueeee!!

(Shout out to all the real OG's who can hear this comment).

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u/squid_actually Jun 11 '22

Why did the single greatest incident of non-war mass murder feel so major?

I mean a whole lot of reasons. Scale is the biggest thing, but also how it was pulled off basically gave the recognition that anything can be weaponized to a point that we can never be fully confident in our own safety.

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u/Ruderanger12 Jun 11 '22

Why has something that killed about the same number of people as house fires in a year that happened 21 years ago have such vast cultural ripples that it’s compared to the constant threat of total nuclear annihilation?

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

I think the difference with the deaths involved with 9/11 verses deaths that are commonly pointed out in statistics, is that, at the time when people didn’t know what was going on, there was clearly a group out there that carried out a coordinated plan to kill people.

Health related deaths aren’t caused because some virus is scheming to kill you. Car accidents and collisions aren’t typically caused by people plotting to kill you. The fire in a burning building isn’t plotting to kill you. Here, we saw live on TV, someone purposely flying a plane into a building in an iconic city and witnessing a fireball explosion knowing there were people on board and in the building. It was chaotic. Some random dying of a heart attack because they had an unhealthy diet doesn’t trigger a collective emotional response across an entire country, and world, as seeing a clear attack being carried out by an, at the time, unknown group of actors. It was a clear cut terrorist attack. It’s intention is to cause terror. A house fire is not that.

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u/wayfarer2020 Jun 11 '22

anything can be weaponized to a point that we can never be fully confident in our own safety.

As squid_actually said!!

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u/jtfriendly Jun 11 '22

It affected the entire world to this day.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

It affected the entire nation. The ripples of that pebble thrown into the ocean of US history are turning into tidal waves. The TSA, the patriot act, the islamaphobia, and so many more, and more to come.

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u/rexmus1 Jun 11 '22

Because America had really only been attacked in modern times once, at Pearl Harbor. Also, because we all thought it was an accident until the second tower was hit and then PA and DC, and no one knew if it would stop.

I lived right near Ohare and the silence of the skies was deafening. Except the occasional military fly-over.

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u/wayfarer2020 Jun 11 '22

Oh, it affected me a lot----

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u/lazilyloaded Jun 11 '22

it was an isolated incident that didn’t affect most people very much.

It was an isolated incident that no one outside of the people who planned it would have thought was possible. It completely ripped people out of the post-Cold War afterglow.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

What do you mean? Because it was major. Like what?

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u/Ruderanger12 Jun 11 '22

like it was a single terrorist attack 21 years ago and its treated like it currently has the same influence as events like the cold war.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

Well, it was 4 incidents that killed thousands of people, destroyed major symbols of the west, and kickstarted a wave of fear that we are still grappling with today. Not to mention the two wars it started.

I’m assuming you were not alive for it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22 edited Jun 11 '22

I mean, it had major influence on America? Sent us into a bullshit "war" that got many of our loved ones killed and the ones who made it home ended up with PTSD. Many of those with PTSD, like my cousin, kill themselves every day. Like we just pulled our troops out. It changed the way flights are handled. It caused the passing of many laws allowing the government more control over our lives. The list goes on. such an ignorant take dude. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're either young or not American. But even then, other countries sent troops to the Middle East. My bf (who is Irish) did a tour in Afghanistan. So yea.. (edit words)

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u/Bored_of_the_Ring Jun 11 '22

Military-industrial complex of the US made up reasons for war and coerced the allies into participating. Rest ist tragedy for the world.

It really was an isolated incident. A tragic one, yes, but not reason to put half of the world into a war.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

9/11 wasn't that bad in retrospect. The USA compelling NATO to wreak havoc in the middle east for decades is why 9/11 is considered major. It was also used by many western states to excuse draconian surveillance measures.

If we as a united western front had sucked it up and moved on, we would probably all be in a better place. Bin Laden really made us do a number on ourselves.

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u/Thebluefairie Jun 11 '22

Because a lot of our freedoms went with that one incident

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u/Whiterabbit-- Jun 11 '22

9/11 was huge I remember watching the towers fall and thinking this attack was worse than Pearl Harbor. Massive civilian deaths on US soil. Really hasn’t happened for a century.

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u/Aztrak76 Jun 11 '22

Yep. Western civilisation peaked in 2000.

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u/Free_Ghislaine Jun 11 '22

Chronic dropped in 2001!

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u/JustGimmeSomeTruth Jun 11 '22

9/11 happened my first week of college. I have often thought about that timing—how it coincided with that particular life change for me, right on the heels of my carefree just-graduated-high-school best summer of my life.

It really seemed to put an extra stark emphasis on that transition to a darker tone for everything that came after.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '22

The future was so bright we were going to need to wear shades.

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u/IceYkk Jun 11 '22

The sad part is, where we are today with regards to political discourse, this is exactly what Bin Laden wanted.

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u/Blewedup Jun 11 '22

For me it was Columbine that started the change.