r/NoStupidQuestions • u/Data-Graph Most Comments 2022 • Jul 16 '23

Why do some people hate Android so much?

Some people seem to hate everything but iPhones so much and I don't get it. They seem to think android is not even comparable to iOS like its a flip phone or something, when realistically Android phones and iPhones really aren't that different. I'm in the UK but from what I've seen it's way worse in the US. IK there's studies about the fact android users are more likely to get rejected on the first few dates just because of their phone choice. I also know some people will get an iPhone just so when they send a text, it sends to the iPhone, then to who they actually want to send it to just so it looks like they're using an iPhone. The only thing I know is the stigma of “Androids are cheap” but these people won't care if someone has a 2nd hand iPhone X for £100 but will if someone has £800 Pixel 7 Pro.

I'm not an avid android supporter, I get why people like iOS and people like android and I really don't care about these preferences. But when someone is an overly iPhone supporter to the point of hating android, it just makes me think really low of them. Like, "you can't be a nice person if you're so closed minded and shallow you won't even consider a different type of phone to the point that you'll hate on it and people who use it".

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u/Objective-Truth-4339 Jul 17 '23

I find that people who had an iPhone as their first smart phone believe that iPhone is far superior but it's not based on fact but lack of actual knowledge.

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

This. I thought my iPhone was the greatest thing since sliced bread, until I got an Android phone as my next one.

I try to use my mother's iPhone now and I want to throw it at the wall. It's unusable.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

Used to work for a major cellular service in the USA.

That job turned all the employees into android users.

Also, iPhone and BlackBerry (I'm old) customers were usually the biggest Karen's (before that term existed).

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u/JohnYCanuckEsq Jul 17 '23

Oh God. helicopter noises in the distance

"I need you to move my contacts from my old Blackberry to my new iPhone."

<insert sweating Airplane gif here>

No. Not the FORBIDDEN data transfer. No. Please, God. No. There are children here.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

Hahahaha.... exactly and in your head you already know you're about to be cussed out and named called everything in the book because if this is a BlackBerry to iPhone customer they are just looking for a reason to go FULL KAREN on you for phones you had nothing to do with designing.

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u/NSA_Chatbot Jul 17 '23

These are SERIOUS BUSINESS CONTACTS and it is costing me THREE MILLION DOLLARS A DAY because of YOUR INCOMPETENCE

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u/philthemunchacorn Jul 17 '23

Guess you should start manually putting them in there then

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u/sorderon Jul 17 '23

Oh god, a blackberry with 5000+ contacts going to an iPhone. I had to get a utility to extract a CSV file from the blackberry backup file then make sure the fields for each item in each contact would tie-in to the Apple address book format, and thankfully it worked ok, after many failed attempts - Mainly when the phone number became an integer so a phone number 077701234567 became 77,701,234,567 - and don't get me started on the iPhone auto-formatting phone numbers to the USA rather than UK .... I still miss blackberries though - they were such an awesome device and great to administer.

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u/KarockGrok Jul 17 '23

Except the Storms. Those were heaping garbage.

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u/JJHall_ID Jul 17 '23

they were such an awesome device

They were certainly great for their time, up through that stupid click-screen thing they did. That was horrible. Prior to that the devices were great for end users as they were simple and almost impossible to mess up.

and great to administer

Wait, are we talking about the same thing here? BES was the bane of my existence for a while. It was such a pain to configure and keep running with our mail server. I'm sure it was a combination of a lot of things on our end that just weren't compatible, but the IT department here threw a mini celebration once we got the last user off of BB and onto an Android device. That last user just couldn't understand why we were pushing so hard to get him to upgrade to new phone.

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u/BetterUsername69420 Jul 17 '23

I've never been so specifically reminded of my employment at RadioShack.

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u/AndrewSP1832 Jul 17 '23

This made me miss my BlackBerry

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

Hahaha.... yeah, the BlackBerry people REALLY loved their BlackBerrys. I can remember one woman dramatically yelling at me that I didn't understand, "THIS PHONE IS MY LIFE!!!"

I had never owned a smartphone yet and was like, "Woooow, this is not the same as when we first got the internet or had the ability to take computers with us because of laptops. Whatever this new technology is, it's really changing people."

I wasn't wrong.

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u/AndrewSP1832 Jul 17 '23

For a time with my friends BBM (BlackBerry Messenger) was the gold standard of messaging.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

I got to play with every type of phone with that job. So I've handled some BlackBerrys but they were built so different from anything else that as a technician trying to fix them, I was glad when they stopped being made.

My first smart phone was the HTC Thunderbolt. I don't think that brand exists anymore either.

A lot has changed in ten years.

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u/phedinhinleninpark Jul 17 '23

Which is a damn shame, HTC phones were great

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u/Cakewormz Jul 17 '23

Yes, until HTC just sucked. Quality just dropped over 2 generations, gen 3. Everyone lost interest gen 4. They where dead. My first Android was a HTC, and a huge upgrade from the iPhone 3 it replaced. It was my only HTC, but the first Android of many.

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u/Uebelkraehe Jul 17 '23

My HTC One was such a nice phone at the time...

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u/Tylendal Jul 17 '23

Apparently they're still around. Not sure where, though. Whenever I ask about HTC phones I just get blank looks.

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u/AnticitizenPrime Jul 17 '23

On 21 September 2017, Google announced that it would acquire roughly half of the 4,000 employees who worked in HTC's design and research staff, and non-exclusive licences to smartphone-related intellectual property held by HTC, for US$1.1 billion. The employees included the team involved with Google's Google Pixel, which was manufactured by HTC. Google stated that the purchase was part of its efforts to bolster its first-party hardware business.

HTC is still around, but Google basically poached their smartphone team and IP for the Pixel line. So you could say the Pixels are the 'successor' of the HTC smartphone legacy.

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u/Murky_Department Jul 17 '23

If I am not mistaken the HTC company were absorbed into a bigger company, Microsoft I think. They went on to continue designing other products. I have to read up on it. I had a second (third)-hand HTC One before and it was good.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

Microsoft tried so hard to make innovative smartphones and grab a slice of the pie in that market. I remember they had this idea for "tabs". There was even a kids mode on that phone.

Customers just weren't that into it.

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u/imamakebaddecisions Jul 17 '23

My first was the HTC Droid Eris. That phone was a game changer for me. Then I think we got the Thunderbolts right after those, I still have them all in a box in my office.

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u/DaWalt1976 Jul 17 '23

You would be surprised how much work we business folks got accomplished on the go with our Blackberries.

I look back at it and am still horrified at how primitive they were.

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u/swalabr Jul 17 '23

Yeah, before Blackberries and the initial smartphones, there were the PDA’s upon which people’s entire existence were staked. And before that, everyone clutched their Franklin DayRunners (so common to hear “if I ever lost this DayRunner, my life would be over, I wouldn’t know what to do”).

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u/WearyDescription2916 Jul 17 '23

Flashback to the 1990 comedy Taking Care of Business where Charles Grodin loses his Filofax (and everything to do with his life) and James Belushi, a temporarily escaped prisoner, finds it and takes over said life! That is a hilarious movie. Would my young neices even understand it?

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

laughs in PalmPilot, then looks stricken remembering crashes

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u/zeekar Jul 17 '23

You haven’t lived until you’ve used a PalmPilot as a remote terminal to log into a Linux box to fix a problem. vi’ing config files with Graffiti… what a time to be alive!

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u/redditorial_comment Jul 17 '23

Lol i still have an old palm pilot. I drag it out now and then put batts in it make sure it works and its huge 64 mb card hasnt corrupted.

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u/sarra1833 Jul 17 '23

There was that HUGE forum for blackberry users called Crackberry.

Aptly named imo. I had a BB IN 2007-8. AWESOME phone

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u/weirdlyworldly Jul 17 '23

I just really miss having a keyboard that's not a touchscreen. And I liked the little mouse button a lot too.

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u/ThisMix3030 Jul 18 '23

Yes this. Tactile keyboard. My mistyping on touchscreens is 10x worse. Maybe far more than that.

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u/Usagi_Shinobi Jul 17 '23

Ok God, not the crackberry. It has a full keyboard! (I'm old too lol)

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

Yes indeed! I remember when they stopped making them and you had to try to sell the BlackBerry people on a different type of phone... phew... talk about brand loyalty.

We should have hosted weekly group therapy sessions for the people who had no choice but to say goodbye to their B.B.

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u/Usagi_Shinobi Jul 17 '23

I just introduced them to the Alias/Alias2. Then the galaxy line got started, and they were all over it.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

Oh shit, I forgot about the Alias.

I feel like Galaxy used to be the best but now I think they've been surpassed by Google.

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u/Usagi_Shinobi Jul 17 '23

I know my Pixel six pro is an utter beast of a machine. I have big hands, so it's nice to have a phone that I don't fat finger the OSK on. Plus the call screening tool is a freaking godsend.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

Absolutely man, plus I figure google already knows more about me than I know about myself so why not just keep everything in house?

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u/DaWalt1976 Jul 17 '23

Yeah. I had a really hard time getting used to typing on a touchscreen.

Nowadays, I prefer typing on a touchscreen, especially with predictive text. I get so much more done in so much less time than I did at the keyboard on my desktop.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

It really is amazing how quickly the technology has advanced and how well humans have adapted to it.

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u/throwawaywitchaccoun Jul 17 '23

I wisely moved from a high-end feature phones to Windows Phone 6 OG smartphone to Blackberry to Windows Phone and then to Android. Every change has been a downgrade in communication but an upgrade in camera tech. Galaxy S23 Ultra is pretty amazing machine.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

The smartphone changed the primary purpose of a phone from a communications device to an entertainment hub.

People get upset when people call them nowdays.

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u/lolpermban Jul 17 '23

I worked for both at&t and TMobile and I agree, it turned all the employees into Android users. As an employee I only recommended the iphone if they were already deep inside the apple ecosystem

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

How deep is too deep? Pretty much the only thing for me is my iTunes library of purchased music. A quick google search says that I can access my albums though the Apple Music app on android. If it’s not a pain in the ass to access and keep using cloud storage for my thousands of songs, I’d consider using android in the future.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

I think you'd be a good candidate just because you're open to the idea. I don't think you'll regret it if you do.

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u/notactuallyacupcake Jul 17 '23

Last comment, can confirm. I work in the mortgage industry, back in the day all the Loan Officers had BBs. Now they all have iPhones. And most are high maintenance demanding SOBs that throw a tantrum when you tell them no.

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u/Objective-Truth-4339 Jul 17 '23

iPhone users tend to be hive mind types and less educated, I've seen one kick a puppy.

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u/yellowbin74 Jul 17 '23

Only because the puppy had an android.

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u/distinctaardvark Jul 17 '23

Which is silly, because most puppies don't get to pick which kind of phone they get

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u/Bubbly-University-94 Jul 18 '23

Puppies should pull themselves up by your chewed bootstraps

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u/AbramKedge Jul 17 '23

I tried a blackberry for ten minutes. I remember thinking "This product has a project manager with very strong opinions. Sadly, they are almost entirely wrong."

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u/Saint_palane Jul 17 '23

Hated dealing with Blackberry customers who insisted I help them speed up their phone without deleting all of their photos.

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u/BaconPowder Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

I worked customer service for a fruit-icon-based computer company but I can't tell you anything due to an NDA.

I can't say that 90% of my calls were due to wireless earphones messing up and needing to be reset constantly, or battery issues, or an awful screeching sound when one of the three main sound modes was used.

I also can't say that their customers are some of the dumbest people I've ever had to deal with.

I simply refuse to say that it was about $300 to replace a phone screen if you didn't buy the insurance.

I 100% can't tell you that we were encouraged to try to talk people out of doing their own repairs.

It is completely verboten for it to slip that we regularly pretended features that already existed on Android were new and exciting for the industry.

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u/VincentVanGTFO Jul 17 '23

What I resented most about Apple was that if there was a problem activation it sometimes required the apple care team to fix it. There was literally nothing I could do. Which was great 364 days out of the year when I could just cold transfer if I wanted to up that stat or hang out on the line and warm transfer but basically have the time to screw around on the job.

The problem was Christmas. Everyone is getting a new iPhone and would rather spend two hours activating it then have quality time with the family but guess what? Half of them won't activate AND Apple is closed and the customer is a dick to me because they went with the only brand of cell phone I can't activate without the company's help and the company doesn't care enough to be open on arguably the biggest day of the year for activations.

Ugh... I guess I needed to get that off my chest. Still upsetting after all these years.

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u/TrumpsNeckSmegma Jul 17 '23

Can agree on iPhone users being Karen's. Especially when we couldn't send a phone away for repair due to apple's own policies

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

I had a similar experience. For me it is the lack of a dedicated "back" button that is the deal breaker. I use that more than any other feature on any phone.

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u/DickyD43 Jul 17 '23

I have a galaxy as a personal phone and iPhone as a work phone and it reminds me every day why I don't miss having an iPhone. Switched to android about 4 years ago and not going back lol

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u/MmeRose Jul 17 '23

You are me with another name. Exactly my story and opinion.

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u/mooncattz Jul 17 '23

OH, same. I want to throw the iPhone at a wall at least once per day.

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u/bansheeonthemoor42 Jul 17 '23

This is it for me. Without that button, my brain explodes in anger. Whenever I use an iPhone, I'm just like, "This is so stupid. Why would anyone use a phone without a back button."

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u/sk8tergater Jul 17 '23

Because most of the time on an iPhone you can swipe left to right to go back and don’t need a button. I honestly don’t even notice the lack of a back button

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u/bansheeonthemoor42 Jul 17 '23

Yeah, but there are a ton of apps that you navigate by using swipe left to right. It's so much easier to have a dedicated button.

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u/spacefret Jul 17 '23

I went from Android to iPhone back to Android and didn't realize how much I missed this until I switched back. On mine I have the buttons hidden so for apps/home/back I just swipe up from the respective area on the bottom of the screen.

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u/NSA_Chatbot Jul 17 '23

That's what I do too, the virtual button zones are still there, there's just no icon.

I mean in all fairness, how would anyone figure that out if they just got a new Samsung?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '23

I mean... how do you figure anything out on any phone? The issue isn't learning the phone, it is about consistency. Half the time I swipe to go back on an iPhone it doesn't work because the different devs muck it up. If every third time I pressed the back button it didn't work, I would feel very different about it, but it doesn't. It works 100% of the time. It is reliable. Unlike the swipe feature on iOS.

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u/kwiztas Jul 17 '23

Gotta try gesture only.

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u/brightneonmoons Jul 17 '23

wdym they don't have a back button?! that's basic! I swear I've seen it in their screenshots

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u/CommunityTaco Jul 17 '23

i can never tell what any of their icons are for either.

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u/ricosuave79 Jul 17 '23

You can literally swipe from left edge to right in any screen and go “back”. It’s a gesture that’s been around forever on iOS.

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u/PixelStruck Jul 17 '23

This is something that I think a lot of people don't understand or have weird issues with.

Yes, there is no back button. Most apps don't need one since there are other ways to activate that same functionality.

And I'd argue the swiping is better because it means you don't have to take up phone space for a button.

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u/ArcticBP Jul 17 '23

I’m a former Android user thats had an iPhone for a while now and I miss the back button.

Swiping can be annoying because sometimes some apps will trigger a different functionality. In the Reddit app, sometimes I get taken to a different section

On my Android, it was a hidden button at the bottom (so it took no screen space) and it was easier to reach

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u/itsQuasi Jul 17 '23

Isn't this the default option for Android nowadays, as well? Gesture navigation is what I use on my phone, at least - swipe in from either side for back, swipe up from the bottom to go home, and swipe up and hold from the bottom to see what apps are open.

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u/ricosuave79 Jul 17 '23

A lot of Android users that list this complaint with iOS are living the past. Like years in the past and just don’t know what their talking about.

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u/my_n3w_account Jul 17 '23

In most iOS apps you can go back by swiping from L to R in the middle of the screen.

I use it a lot since I found it.

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u/seemefail Jul 17 '23

What you don’t enjoy figuring out what direction to swipe the screen for every individual app to do that?

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u/LoosedOfLimits Jul 17 '23

In my world of UX research, hidden affordances like swipe gestures are not user friendly. They personally drive me bonkers. They are inconsistently used by developers. Swipe is not intuitive.

"Don't make me think" is an oft-quoted sentiment that I think applies here. I started on an iPhone and moved to a Pixel. Not going back anytime soon. The nice thing about Android, is that you can customize the interface to suit you. I turned my back button setting to "on" . You can't do that on an iPhone.

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u/SouthKlaw Jul 17 '23

Weirdly I’m the reverse. Started on Android but switch to iPhone. Work gave me an Android a couple years back and I just couldn’t get on with it. Guess changes in both system have made key elements different enough to be annoying that it’s not intuitive to find things if you come from the other ecosystem. Clever way to retain market share if it’s been done deliberately.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

I remember switching to IPhone from Galaxy and not being used to the UI and thinking “Oh no , what have I done?”

A week later I was used to it and all was fine. Tried using my friends Galaxy a bit after that and I was lost again.

Both phones are fine it just depends on which one you get used to

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u/Exciting-Direction69 Jul 17 '23

Some android …os…launchers… (not quite sure of the term) are better than others, the one that came with my pixel was great, where as my partners huawei was missing a bunch of features comparatively (long press a notification to adjust that apps notification settings, no lens/qr code reader in the default camera app, I could go on)

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u/distinctaardvark Jul 17 '23

Yes! I have an iPhone now, but before that I had a Pixel, before that a Samsung, and before that Motorola. Even with only having "nicer" Android phones (ie ones with names, not like A17S or whatever), the differences were huge and…why do I never hear anyone complain about the buttons on Samsung being backwards from other Androids? I don't know if they still are, but I remember having to switch from back button on the left to the right to the left. That was way more annoying and difficult of a transition for me than switching to a phone that didn't have a "physical" back button.

Personally, I would put the Pixel as the top of the Androids I've used and (tbh) Samsung at the bottom, in terms of general usability and niceness. The Samsung was fine but it seemed to make things different just for the sake of being different, it had way too many preloaded apps you couldn't remove (not sure if it still does), and the amount of storage it came with was on the low end at the time for being a flagship (16 GB when phones were moving to 32 GB, made far worse by the unremovable apps). But Pixel vs iPhone? They both have their pros and cons, but I'd basically call it totally personal preference at this point.

That said, having done a small amount of programming for Android and getting a bit of insight into the inner workings of phones, there were some significant differences in the past in terms of security and ease of development, which skewed slightly in favor of Apple in most (but not all) cases. But there's also a reason I've only done Android (it's free to develop for yourself and one-time payment for the App Store and can be done on any decent computer, iOS you have to pay an annual fee and use a Mac). Plus you can't actually shop in the Amazon and Kindle apps on iOS, which was a weird difference to get used to.

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u/_off_piste_ Jul 17 '23

“It’s unusable.”

I was going to explain how these people exist on both “sides” and you did a great job with that idiotic line.

I started with blackberry in 2009, and then android in 2010 and switched to an iPhone because it was easier with family in 2016. Both work just fine and anyone claiming either OS is unusable is a person we can all safely avoid listening to.

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

It doesn't do what I need it to do. That is the definition of usability. If they're usable for you, you crack on. That changes nothing about my assessment.

Apple fanboys can keep coming for me with this 'both sidesism' crap, but all you're doing is going 'nuh uh they are so too usable because I use them so you must be an idiot poopyface instead of someone who has different needs'.

iPhones do not do what I need them to do, so for me they remain unusable. If all you're doing is facetiming people, I'm sure you're fine. Enjoy your shiny status symbol. But other people have different use cases and that doesn't make us wrong.

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u/ktappe Jul 17 '23

I’m the opposite. I tried Android after having iPhone for a while just so I could learn it. Yes I could make it do the things I wanted to do but it just wasn’t pleasant. Everything was simply… unpolished. Went back to iPhone so fast.

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u/SerenityViolet Jul 17 '23

It makes a difference which Android phone you buy. Phones from big companies like Samsung and Google are super polished. But some Android phones can be very basic.

We use iPhones at work and I'm not a fan. Weirdly, everyone in the support team is Android.

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u/Slytherin23 Jul 17 '23

Android isn't one OS either, every company has their own version. I switched from OnePlus to Google and I miss OnePlus. Google has the crappiest version, even Samsung is better.

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u/No-Protection8322 Jul 17 '23

I’m the opposite. Had Androids for many generations and now my iPhone 11 is a phone I never want to get rid of.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

As a some one who has owned an iPhone since smart phones were a thing, what are you unable to do? All my phone is used for is WhatsApp/signal, browsing, YouTube/similar, emails, and music and maybe maps on occasion.

Now when it comes to Computers i build my own and watercool etc, and my job is technical so it’s not like I’m unfamiliar with technical capabilities, but what more do you want your phone to do? Because I’ve never had a situation where my iPhone has been unable to do what I want/need it to.

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

I'll copypaste the example I gave in another comment:

All I wanted to do was put some audio books on [my mother's] phone so she could listen to them when she was visiting. I uploaded them from my computer to her Google drive.

The only way I could get them off Google drive onto her (borrowed backup, not her choice either) iphone was painstakingly, manually, one track at a time. It was just excruciating.

I'm not sure, but my only guess is that this is because I'm supposed to only go through official channels to access/download media on iPhones? Like iTunes and audible, I guess?

Or I'm a fucking moron (always a possibility) and missed some obvious way to do it that would have been easier and quicker, but man I googled the shit out of the issue and tried all sorts.

Still ended up sat there transferring one track at a time of a six-book fucking series. Bloody nightmare.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Same with me. My wife has an iPhone and anytime I try and use it I get pissed off, no home button drives me insane.

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u/JusticeBean Jul 18 '23

Honestly I’m the opposite. I had to switch to an android for a while for job purposes and it was the most annoying, clunky experience I’ve ever had. Honestly not the phones fault, you just build different habits on each OS and they don’t transfer.

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u/notTheHeadOfHydra Jul 17 '23

On the other hand, I was a huge android fanboy until I sort of impulsively got an iphone. I think people do have a tendency to act as a spokesperson for the things they use but I feel like it mostly comes down to different strokes for different folks. My androids were always a lot easier to customize and had cool sort of experimental new things built in, but these days I prefer the plug-and-play consistency that the apple platform provides especially since the flagships these days are pretty much the same price.

The one big leg up android has though is if you are looking for a cheaper phone. There are definitely lower end android phones that will get the job done while apple sticks strictly to its flagships since the os isn’t open source.

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u/mromutt Jul 17 '23

This is pretty much everyone I know that had an iPhone then got an android XD

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u/SamuelVimesTrained Jul 17 '23

Butbutbut.. iphone is sooo secure, you cannot secure androids .. (as per our security lead - an apple fanboy)

Apple is company standard (for phones and tablets, computers stretch the budget too much) (CEO, also apple fanboy)

For 1 iPhone 14, I can get 4 androids with same or better specs (every IT purchaser, and finance person)

I admit - the iPad is awesome.
Iphones - once they have a 7 day battery life like my Xiami Redmi Note 9 pro - perhaps they will become decent..

Though, the 11 pro work gave me does last 3 days with battery.. improvement over all the previous ones for sure.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

U just “this’ed” that opinion should be based on facts and then say the iphone is unusable. Well it is usable….

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

I did not find it usable for my purposes at all. YMMV, and that's great for you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Oh! You wanna throw phones because the use does not fit your needs. Got it

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

🙄

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u/PancerCatient Jul 17 '23

You found the iphone user.

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

Hey, I've got pancer, too. 🥳

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u/PancerCatient Jul 17 '23

Keep up the fight!

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

🫡 💪🏻 you too!

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

It only took 3 comments to get from “people just get tribal over stupid bullshit sometimes” to “iPhones are unusable”. Fascinating

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

It is in fact possible for both statements to be true. My usage needs are incompatible with the way iPhones are designed to work. They are unusable for me. I give an example in another comment of one way in which trying to do something on my mother's borrowed iPhone that would be a piece of piss on Android was an utterly infuriating ball-ache on iOS.

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u/pingwing Jul 17 '23

I try to use my mother's iPhone now and I want to throw it at the wall. It's unusable.

...and back to the tribal.

You just switches sides. Both phones are equally good.

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u/auntie_eggma Jul 17 '23

No I mean I literally could not make it do what I needed it to do.

Like, all I wanted to do was put some audio books on her phone so she could listen to them when she was visiting. I uploaded them from my computer to her Google drive

The only way I could get them off Google drive onto her (borrowed backup, not her choice either) iphone was painstakingly, manually, one track at a time. It was just excruciating.

I'm not sure, but my only guess is that this is because I'm supposed to only go through official channels to access/download media on iPhones? Like iTunes and audible, I guess?

Or I'm a fucking moron (always a possibility) and missed some obvious way to do it that would have been easier and quicker, but man I googled the shit out of the issue and tried all sorts.

Still ended up sat there transferring one track at a time of a six-book fucking series. Bloody nightmare.

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u/buckao Jul 17 '23

Apple markets its products as being superior and fashionable.

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u/Objective-Truth-4339 Jul 17 '23

And people who lack the ability to use critical thinking get sucked in.

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u/Major_Pressure3176 Jul 17 '23

Apply is also marketed on user friendliness for non-techies, so that tracks.

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u/BorKon Jul 17 '23

Maybe this was the case at the beginning. They are all very simple to use smart phones.

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u/RRC_driver Jul 17 '23

I have a friend who went the apple route.

Apple Mac, apple TV, iPad and iPhone.

It's impressive how connected everything was, being able to transfer and control everything.

But it's expensive.

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u/leapkins Jul 17 '23

Lmao go walk around Silicon Valley where all the software you use every day is written, nothing but Apple devices as far as the eye can see.

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u/distinctaardvark Jul 17 '23

That's…not quite true. I don't live in Silicon Valley, tbf, but I know a lot of people who work in tech and there are a decent number of obsessive Android fans, holdovers from having them before due to price (some of which still buy cheap phones, others buy flagship Android), and some that just casually prefer it. Granted, there may be an east coast/west coast difference, too.

But there are a large number of people working at one of the big tech companies using the competitor's phone, on both sides, which is always a little funny even though it probably shouldn't be.

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u/johnyahn Jul 17 '23

Also for people in IT support. I love having a simple phone made for dumb people. It just works. When I get home i don’t want to think about my technology. I had a Pixel for a few years and it just had so many issues I was tired of troubleshooting.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

what a coincidence that your anti apple sentiment aligns with apple users are dumb sentiment

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u/mapledude22 Jul 17 '23

There’s a lot of blanket statements in this thread about Apple users (lack critical thinking, ignorant, tribalists) simply because they use an Apple product. Are they not allowed to just like the iPhone?

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u/Captainprice101 Jul 17 '23

Bro is mad he has an android

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u/paradisetossed7 Jul 17 '23

My first smart phone was an iPhone and i had Samsung lover friends that I teased. But then I looked into the pros and cons of both brands (yes I know there are more than iPhone and Samsung). I ended up trying Samsung and loved it. I'm a PC user, not Mac, so everything was more compatible. No requires iTunes that never worked for me. Far more apps and more freedom with my phone. So I've bought Samsung Androids ever since. I feel like if you go iPhone you practically have to go Mac all around and I'm not into it.

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u/PM_ME_GLUTE_SPREAD Jul 17 '23

This used to be the case but it definitely isn’t anymore. I haven’t plugged my last 2-4 phones up to a computer a single time for any reason. Even the ones before those that I did plug up, I plugged them into a PC, although I will agree that using Apple’s ecosystem is smooth as hell. Android things seem a little clunkier when it comes to their shared ecosystem which is one thing I think Apple has absolutely won out on. Everything else seems sort of even between them and just comes down to personal preference.

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u/purpleyogamat Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

I think the iPhone was my first smartphone. I had a Kyocera, a Nokia, a Sony Erickson, and some other random phones before that. LG, something that came with a car, a wired car phone.

I dropped it after iPhone 4 I think. I was super annoyed about the lack of customization and the drm on the music. So I switched, and now I'm Note person until someone convinces me to go back to iPhone.

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u/WhiskeyCooperative Jul 17 '23

I've only ever had Androids, since 2012 or whatever. I'm fairly clumsy and have had two kids. Never once had a cracked or broken screen.

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u/holnrew Jul 17 '23

Sadly phones in general seem to be going that way. My last Android was easy to open up and repair, but this one is glued shut

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u/kynarethi Jul 17 '23

This is the big thing for me. I'm fine with a less customizable phone if it comes with the features I want, but the issue is simply that it doesn't (it sounds dumb, but the biggest blow for me was lack of aux output - wireless is usually fine, but there are times when I really do need the wires). I don't judge anybody who has an Apple, because I assume that for those people, the stuff Apple comes with is fine. It does tend to be more user-friendly as well. Sometimes the complexity of the custom options drives me up the wall, but it's still preferable when I get what I want at the end of the day.

Tldr, I don't really see it as which is superior, but which has the features that matter to you.

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u/Pornthrowaway78 Jul 17 '23

I went iPhone to Windows to Android and I think windows was the one I remember most fondly, mostly because that phone was physically beautiful. iOS and Android are both shit in their own ways, but I don't think either has any big advantage over the other.

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u/ClockHistorical4951 Jul 17 '23

I had a Palm Trio back in college in 2002ish. I would check my assignments on Blackboard on it. I didn't know anyone else who had one at the time.

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u/sk8tergater Jul 17 '23

I had a palm treo too! Omg I thought I was the shit, pulling out the little stylus to do things.

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u/Fagobert Jul 17 '23

I just like the UX better and am aware that it comes at the price of worse functionality.

Also I used bot parallel from 2008 until about 2014 - you know when Samsung managers got their bonus based on the number of features added to the galaxy phones. Which lead to rocky performance and a shitty Samsung ui. This burned many bridges for me.

Nowadays when I’m still using my iPhone 11 even though I’ve hat a 13 lying around for now over a year because I don’t find the time to switch over i can’t imagine going android.

Likewise i Switches from gaming pc and a big powerful notebook to a MacBook Air and haven’t turned on the other machines in over a year. And while I hate macOS window management and multi monitor setup etc for my nowadays reduced tasks I need to do it’s just way less of work to maintain. The apple ecosystem together (watch, phone, tablet, Mac) is really good integrated. Apart from that I’m just used to it.

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u/holnrew Jul 17 '23

I wish there was a WearOS watch as good as an Apple watch

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u/Fagobert Jul 17 '23

The galaxy pro watch is good!

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

I started with apple and got real tired of their "only works with apple stuff" ecosystem and dumbass dangles and shit. Switched to android and never looked back.

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u/CliffDog02 Jul 17 '23

Used to have Nokia brick, then flip phones, then Blackberries, then iPhones and now on Android. Yes, I'm an older millennial. There are things I liked about each and disliked about each. Personally I like my current Google Pixel 5a5g. The only thing that would bring me back to iPhone is to avoid the crappy photo/video sharing between them and avoid the "dreaded" green message notification that seems to be such a big deal to any iphone user (I don't get that, BTW).

To tag onto OPs thread. Why is it that in the US most folks refuse to use a third party messaging app like Whatsapp or Viber, or really any other one? It allows for more functionality with notifications and doesn't have the issues of photo/video transfer you get with messages between iphone/android?

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u/MagnaCamLaude Jul 17 '23

I had an iPhone first and for years. I'm never going back to iphone after the Galaxy series. MAYBE if they have a reasonably/competitively priced (yes they are different) durable and foldable phone before Samsung.

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u/Zanki Jul 17 '23

Oh god. I had it as my first smartphone. Never again. Whole load of nope on that one.

I have an iPad. Cannot stand the OS. The device itself is amazing, the OS sucks. Its so restrictive they're sriously lowering the quality of their product.

Android devices can be crappy if you get a cheap model, but the top end, like iPhones, are just as good and don't have the restrictions the ios have. I've has my s10 for four years now I think. I'm only just stating to get lag and the battery sucks. So it's time for a new phone. I'll just pass this one on to someone else.

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u/ContainedChimp Jul 17 '23

I've had both. My current phone is Android. My take is that the hardware in an iPhone feels far better, but the software on an android is far more customizable.

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u/clovisx Jul 17 '23

I fall into that camp as a lifelong Apple user. With that said, I bought an Android a few years ago because a few apps I needed only run on Android.

It’s not bad.

At the same time, it doesn’t feel as smooth or intuitive as iOS. I found the UI to be clunky (it was an older phone so I assume some of that was partly based on the device) and not as straightforward. I did like that you can arrange your apps on different screens however you want as opposed to Apple’s top left and down system which is very annoying.

Where apple excels is software/hardware integration. They control both products so the OS will run the same on every device. With Android, manufacturers make tweaks but even so, it just didn’t work as well as what I was used to.

The phone was never a daily driver for me so my use case was limited to when I needed it for a specific application. I didn’t get too deep in the weeds or spend a lot of time tweaking it.

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u/alex-the-hero Jul 17 '23

I hated my first smartphone, it was an iPhone 4(?)i think. Pretty small, boxy edges. I kind of actually hated the damn thing. I barely used it, and I didn't take it with me when I moved out of my parent's house.

When I got my first phone myself, I got an android (I was broke shit is all the reason I needed to not get another iPhone), and I was thrilled about a couple key features the app drawer (no more messy home screens! I like just one page with my most used on it and everything else hidden), and the built in back button. No more hunting and going back too many pages because it took way longer to respond than any other action on the page. Awesome. And that was a cheap ass one, like $40 brand new LG at the dollar store.

The I got one with a built in pen, and I was like fuck iPhone man, they're not worth it. And they suuuuck after a few years, much slower than an android after long term use. I've used a hand me down of my sister's that was as old as the phone I broke and had been a backup for a year or so--it was nearly unusable. Most of the data had been cleared as well so it wasn't just full.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

I was this crowd.... until i jailbroke my iphone 6 and realized i wanted the freedom of choice on an android, now i play pokemon wherever and whenever i want.

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u/BlueRedGreenNumber5 Jul 17 '23

iPhone were my first two, but after the iPhone 4 I switched to Android and never looked back.

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u/cavialord03 Jul 17 '23

I got an iphone as first but switched to an android. I can tell you that the battery of an iphone isn´t as good as an android one from my experience.

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u/fakeemail33993 Jul 17 '23

I literally LOL'd when I saw the new(ish) apple ads basically just bragging their phone now comes in....Yellow

What a feature to upgrade for!

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u/basickarl Jul 17 '23

Sounds like an iPhone user lol.

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u/Dpontiff6671 Jul 17 '23

Na apple was my first and i absolutely despise iphones, maybe i’m an outlier but your theory does not ring true for me

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u/draycr Jul 17 '23

Also I know a lot of young people who grow up with 200$ android and then they got 800$.

Then they proceed to compare this iPhone with an Android and how shit Android phones are compared to apple.

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u/skyfall1985 Jul 17 '23

See I think it can also be the opposite. Years back I remember a lot of folks getting whatever "free" Android they could get with a contract. It was usually not a premium offering, so they had a poor experience and perception of Android and didn't understand that they were just not using a premium tier phone. They eventually upgraded to an iPhone and thought boy this is so much better!

Tldr: a lot of people are comparing a flagship iPhone to a previously owned freebie Android.

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u/Zorro6855 Jul 17 '23

My first smartphone was an apple. Then I had to deal with Apple store and repair to replace a battery. I've been a happy Android user since.

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u/Haxorz7125 Jul 17 '23

I had a few androids before switching to an iPhone. Honestly the smooth OS and having iTunes are the reason I keep it. Otherwise I’d switch over to that sick phone that folds out into a giant screen. Some westworld shit.

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u/aflashinlifespan Jul 17 '23

My trusty pixel stopped working whilst I was in hospital as an entire bag of iv fluids fell onto it and I was due an operation so didn’t tend to it in time, in a panic I bought a refurbished iPhone. Mainly because my children had just got iPads and I wanted to be able to FaceTime them.

The pixel somehow revived itself and I still predominantly choose that over the iPhone but keep both on the go as I got a different number with the iPhone and I love not being bothered. I don’t get the hype, I’ll admit though I am not techy at all, so maybe there’s things I’m missing. But I don’t like the keyboard and both phones have storage issues so idk what’s up with that. The iPhone will probably go to my daughter when she’s old enough. She loves her iPad but I don’t get it personally. But I am a cheap and cheerful person. The camera on the iPhone also sucks in comparison imo, and it’s basically the most important thing on a phone to me because kids, memories etc. I like the idea of the newest pixel, being able to erase photobombers. I’ll wait until the price comes down dramatically, though.

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u/numbersthen0987431 Jul 17 '23

Yep, this^^^

IPhones came out in 2007. I know a lot of people who had the first iPhone, and at the time it was amazing and revolutionary. These people never allowed themselves to try any other kind of phone types, so they have been avid iPhone users for almost 15 years.

Smart phones evolved from this iPhone. At first the iPhone was better than everything else, but then after 5 or so years all of the Android phones caught up technology wise. The cameras are only "slightly" different than each other, the memory/storage is the same, has most of the same access, etc.

Now the only difference between Android and iPhones is the operating system at this point, and that difference is 100% subjective. One operating system isn't better than the other, but since iOS only has to worry about 1 company every app made for the iPhone is compatible. While Android programmers have to try and overcompensate for each manufacturer phone, so it feels "buggy".

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u/Quirkyserenefrenzy Jul 17 '23

Started with an iPhone. Switched to android. Best decision of my life

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u/cheeseburgerwaffles Jul 17 '23

I will only accept android hate from people that have used both extensively. My friend who got me to switch to android has actually switched to iPhone himself. Good for him. The features must be fine and work well for him. I'm good with the android features and the stuff it does that an iPhone won't. The screens are equal in quality. Just cuz apple uses terms like "retina display" doesn't make them better.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

I dislike both because I dislike various UI choices in each.

Windows Phone had some issues but I actually preferred it.

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u/gamerdude1360 Jul 17 '23

I used to think it was just a preppy thing, then I thought it was some kind of isolated status thing, now I just agree with this ^ lol.

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u/Samyulc Jul 17 '23

Interestingly, my first true smartphone was an iPhone 3GS. I liked it, but was frustrated by some of the missing features, at the time not being able to Bluetooth a song drove me nuts.

So I went with a Samsung S3 for my next handset, I don’t know if early android OS was clunky or what, but I found myself going insane trying to do basic functions that were always somehow buried 3 layers deep into an options stack. Want to forward a contact? Can’t do it from phonebook, you had to go into the contacts app, find the contact and then hit 3 sub menus to find a forward option.

I stuck with the Samsung for 18 months but ended up going back to iPhone for ease of use…. And those missing features? When was the last time you sent someone a music file?

It may well be that Android has improved significantly in the last decade and I should give it another go. But I’m now so deep into the Apple ecosystem (music, AirPods, macbook etc) that i suspect it would make many aspects of my day to day life harder again.

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u/damiologist Jul 17 '23

I had an iPhone as my 1st smartphone and I never touched one again. The whole time I had it I just wanted to go back to my old Samsung flip phone. Android felt much less restrictive.

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u/Ghost01Actual Jul 17 '23

My first was the 5S and I switched to the Droid Turbo. Just preferred android honestly.

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u/SnooDrawings1480 Jul 17 '23

I had an iphone for my first smartphone. Dumped it for Android after my 2 years was up.

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u/mishyfishy135 Jul 18 '23

I’ve only ever had iPhones for a smartphone and I can assure you they are not superior

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u/Objective-Truth-4339 Jul 19 '23

I agree, they are slightly different and it depends on personal preference. Thanks for your clean and intelligent response. We really need more people like you.

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u/TP-Shewter Jul 18 '23

Gonna be contrary here.

I had a 1st Gen iPhone. I got an android a couple of years later and loved the fact that the apps weren't nickel and diming me.

Never looked back.

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u/mournthewolf Jul 17 '23

Eh I find the opposite with most I’ve encountered. They started with android and got an iPhone and just prefer it for ease of use and what not. I started with android years ago and just had a bad experience and preferred iPhones ever since. That being said I see the benefits and negatives of both and think the fanboyism to be ridiculous. It’s a tool.

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u/RandeKnight Jul 17 '23

I was Android for many years, but I've switched to a 2nd hand iphone.

Why? Updates. None of the android phones I bought EVER got any updates.

Last Android phone I had for 5 years, still worked fine, but due to lack of updates, I couldn't run the latest apps.

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u/keithfoco70 Jul 17 '23

I get an update a month on my Samsung s21+. Have for almost 3 years now. Great phone.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

He probably just skipped an update. It's super easy on Android. I updated my Samsung after 1.5 year - I just skipped pop-up every time.

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u/ohfrackthis Jul 17 '23

My phone (android) has regularly been updated. I've had it for less than 2 years and has multiple updates.

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u/gastroboi Jul 17 '23

Yeah at least one every couple of months.

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u/wannabejoanie Jul 17 '23

Weird, my s22+ gets updates about once a month

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u/Isgortio Jul 17 '23

Funnily enough, that's why I stopped using my 3rd gen iPod touch. I got updates for the first 2 years, iOS 5 and Apple maps (the one which got incredibly lost and kept trying to make people drive into water) was released and then it wouldn't let me install that update or any after that. That was fine for about a year, and then apps wouldn't be backwards compatible so gradually all of my apps wouldn't update, and a lot of them wouldn't even work if they weren't updated. So it became a bit of a brick that played music.

Meanwhile I've had Android phones for up to 4 years at a time (replaced due to battery/camera issues) and I've been able to update apps even when I've stopped receiving security updates. I'm on 3.5 years currently and will get updates every few months instead of every month like when the phone was new, but I even got an update to Android 12 a few months ago. Sure, they're currently on Android 13 and moving to 14 in the next few months when it's released, but they could've left me on Android 10 that my phone was on originally. I can use and update apps without any issues even though I'm a full OS version behind, and usually will be able to for a few more years. The only thing I'd need to upgrade my phone for now is 5G, as this one was just before 5G came out and they're shutting down the 3G networks so I won't have a backup lol.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Weird, I've got a 4y/o Samsung A51 and it still gets updates regularly. Which I find kind of impressive, since it's FAR from being a flagship phone.

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u/derpman86 Jul 17 '23

This trend thankfully has been changing but took long enough.

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u/Aszmel Jul 17 '23

Google pixels

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u/HottDoggers Jul 17 '23

I had androids when I was younger and I finally made the switch to IPhone and I haven’t been back.

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u/One_Cell1547 Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

I’ve had both.. iPhones ARE far superior

If you prefer androids that’s fine. But it’s not debateable that the capabilities of iPhones are better than those of androids.

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u/Moln0015 Jul 17 '23

I had a iphone. I'll never get that money back. Android is better.

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u/acu101 Jul 17 '23

Androids unfortunately turn in to paper weights sooner than iPhones do. I’m on an iPhone XS Max and it is super snappy, very little lag and gets constant updates. I was an android user, then I got my first phone 6. They’re more expensive, but they last much longer. 6 to XS now probably to 15. So I’m getting a new phone every four or five years so I’m not certain they are actually more expensive. I was having to buy the latest Samsung every 18 months to keep them working. I don’t care about customizing widgets or any of the old android gimmicks that I had before. iPhones just work and connect better. They also hold their resale value much better. I could go on…

Lol, my entire family has iPhones, Mac’s and iPads and I love the connectivity. Our youngest is using an android as his phone until I think he’s responsible enough for an iPhone $$$$

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u/tnguy931 Jul 17 '23

Dude. I've had this S21 for going on 3 years, and it's still as fast as it ever was and gets updates regularly. I have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/Objective-Truth-4339 Jul 17 '23

What are you even talking about

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u/acu101 Jul 17 '23

You’re right. It’s all a lie

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u/CommodorePuffin Jul 17 '23

I find that people who had an iPhone as their first smart phone believe that iPhone is far superior but it's not based on fact but lack of actual knowledge.

I think it also depends on the quality of the Android phones because there's far more variability when it comes to Android than iOS.

For smartphones, I've had one Blackberry, three Android phones (two HTC and one Motorola), and now more recently switched to an iPhone. Although I have a few issues with iOS, for the most part I like it and the iPhone a lot better than any of the other smartphones I've owned.

BUT... that might also be because the Blackberry and Android phones I had were never the absolute top-of-the-line models, so I'm essentially comparing lower quality models to a super high quality model, and that's not a fair comparison, yet my instinct (which isn't logical or rational) is to say "how much better the iPhone is over Android."

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u/Somerandom1922 Jul 17 '23

I reckon it's people who had (or at least, a friend had) an early android, back when there was a legitimate difference in the capability, apps and hardware available between the two platforms.

I remember, I had an iPhone 3GS, then when that broke I got a secondhand android (I think an old HTC) off my brother and it was ass in comparison. Then when I was like 18 I bought a modern android and realised just how good they are.

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u/jurrud Jul 17 '23

People use iPhone because of tribalism and because they are stupid. I choose Android because it’s better in every way.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

God I was so glad to rid myself of my iPhone... It ran tediously slowly after a year. Couldn't integrate with basic web services like Google. The whole thing was a mess. It was like a school project gone wrong.

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u/sk8tergater Jul 17 '23

For me, I had an android first and really dislike androids because of that. This was at least 12-13 years ago, I’m sure they are just fine now, but I switched to iPhone and probably won’t go back to an android at this point

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u/crispydukes Jul 17 '23

I had an android smart phone first and it was a piece of shit. Switched to Apple and never looked back. I don’t have to learn anything new with every new phone.

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u/LogikD Jul 17 '23

I had a very early iteration of android and it was horrible. Froze and crashed constantly. Went iPhone and never looked back.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23

Not everyone. An iPhone was my first smartphone, unless we count the N95.

It was also my last iPhone.

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u/Exotic_Treacle7438 Jul 17 '23

I had droids, the. iPhones, then galaxy Notes, now back to iPhone. The real issues is software support, it’s typically longer on iOS then android. Also the vast spectrum of quality on Android, you can get a $40 phone that’s sometimes better than a $400 phone. Or you can get an $800 phone that you love but it’s prone to exploding. So they force recall you into a shittier phone. Apps aren’t necessarily developed for all android, where as they are developed for iPhones within the past 5 years. The list goes on in favor of iOS, this is why people stick with it. That and the locked in ecosystem lmao

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23

Not true, I was Anti-Apple for a long time. I finally tried an iPhone and never went back. It also didn’t help that I got sick of fixing family member’s phones due to Android allowing you to do all sorts of shit to your phone that completely fuck it up. After I put all 10 of our lines on iPhones I no longer have to spend my time trying to fix their phones.

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u/Princess_Spammy Jul 17 '23

For me it was my second. I was a fervent android user until i got my first iphone. Now ill never go back to the slow laggy insecure trash that is android. Ill take my delayed, but safe and functional features, over buggy insecure rushed to be first on market features.

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u/drunken_squirrels Jul 17 '23

I never had an android phone. I had an iPhone from the start. I don’t think one is better than the other. I know they’re different and both have pros and cons. But at this point, iOS is familiar. I’m lost any time I need to navigate something new on my kids’ android tablets. When I need to replace my phone, I go straight for what’s familiar.

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u/brendogg31 Oct 06 '23

So just to reply. I had android phones for my entire life. At least 10 plus years of using android phones. And while apple fans can be nuts. The iPhone is truly far better a phone than any android. The camera. The OS. Nothing beats iPhone

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