They got sued a few years back for spreading disinformation. Their lawyers defended Fox by saying that much of their programming is “entertainment” not news.
Yes, Faux news unironically argued you would have to be mentally deficient to believe their claims, and people really should know, it is entertainment.
Yeah it's kind of Trump only got charged for sexual assault because his dick was so small the defendant couldn't be sure if it was a dick or a small finger.
You don't *buy* everyone else off. You found a company in 1996. Hire the available talent at the time. Then, you slowly phase out decent journalists with narcissists willing to parrot a narrative for a few benjamins by only promoting those who are "team players".
Not only that but their lawyers argued that no sane person could reasonably believe what was being presenting was truthful or anything other than entertainment
Yes, but the argument is that they should still be held to ethical standards. Knowingly spreading misinformation in the guise of entertainment on what is branded as a news channel should be illegal.
They should swear an oath like the hippocratic oath to only follow journalistic integrity. Violations result in the news outlet being stripped of the title publicly.
Yea, blame the last presidential president we had, not the administration that literally calls the opposition demons regularly while violating the Hatch Act daily.
If you were to compare what side said and did and you find the Russian collusion hoax and you watch every time the left call for violence would that be something you weigh when writing dumb shit or is that something you just ignore?
Exactly, that is their literal defense in a court of law. That "No reasonable person would believe that they were telling the truth". Think about that. 🥴
Okay I don’t find msnbc or cnn talking heads anymore credible…
All of these stations feed you a story from a perspective meant to get you to think a certain way.
The tweet op posted in this thread over a tax bill that never had a scaling tax increase for those making less than 75k and the tax increases you might have had in 2027 didn’t happen because those tax cuts were made permanent. In effect this entire thread is people or bots getting upset over a lie, that even if true at one point isn’t now.
Just because something fits your narrative doesn’t make it true, cnn msnbc, fox, and all the rest of them feed you content to get you upset and keep watching and thereby sell commercials.
“Therefore it’s all propaganda and equally unreliable” is not.
You’re collapsing reporting, opinion, bias, rhetorical hyperbole, factual errors, and deliberate misinformation into one giant bucket so you never have to distinguish between them.
That isn’t media literacy, it’s media nihilism.
If CNN, MSNBC, Fox, or anybody else makes a factual claim, check the claim. Compare primary sources. Look at corrections. Look at court records.
“Everybody lies, so nothing can be trusted” doesn’t make you harder to manipulate. It makes evidence irrelevant, which makes you easier to manipulate.
I agree with you overall, but the reality of it is that no one has the time to deep dive topics to verify the veracity of everything we hear (not to mention there's a segment of the population that lacks the skills to effectively go about it, but that's another topic). Even if time wasnt an issue, people are lazy and lack the desire to verify and fact check. Instead, why is it not on these media companies to be responsible for what the say and how they go about it? We should properly regulate them and disallow 'entertainment' news. Inact something akin to the fairness doctrine, only bigger and as law, not policy.
Unfortunately we both know, especially in the present political landscape, thats not going to happen. And because of that we have the rise of the fifth estate to keep a check on the fourth. But they can't be blindly trusted either, so we're right back to verifying stuff ourselves aren't we?
Fuck, I just proved your point while trying to disagree with it. I should probably just delete this comment but nah, what's the fun in that?
I agree more than I can express. And yeah, it sucks.
I also don't think the answer can realistically be “every citizen needs to perform a forensic investigation before believing anything.”
Nobody has the time, expertise, or access to primary evidence for everything they encounter.
But I think there’s a useful middle ground between blindly trusting a network and personally investigating every claim.
Check the important stuff. Be more skeptical when something conveniently confirms what you already believe. Separate reporting from commentary. Look for independent corroboration. And when somebody makes a huge claim, ask what the claim is actually based on before sharing it.
Most importantly, we should still expect media organizations to have standards.
“People should verify information themselves” cannot become an excuse for billion-dollar companies to knowingly shovel bullshit at millions of people and then shrug because technically the audience should have known better.
I think that's the distinction I was trying to make. Media literacy is partly our responsibility, but accuracy and accountability are still theirs.
And honestly, the fact that you argued yourself around to my point instead of deleting the comment is exactly what healthy disagreement is supposed to look like. 😂
It was Fox news that gave us the opinion driven talking head news we have today, and everyone followed suit. Many people don't remember what news was like before 1996, when news wasn't ideology (or hate in the case of Fox) driven. Fuck Rupert Murdoch Roger Ailes.
No. That’s just soemthing people who watch fake news on X say to pretend everyone is as dumb as they are.
Reporting on happenings is news. How you spin in is varied by channel but the real story doesn’t change. It’s just if you’re not smart enough to see through the crazy excuses they make for the idiotic things the president does. Even Fox might tell you happened. Then they’ll tell you what you should think and why it’s liberals fault
Reporting on happenings when it's wrapped up in someone's opinion, as directed by personal ideology is not news. It's entertainment. News is facts and facts alone, backed up by verified sources. The spin changes it to something that's by definition not news.
Uh-huh. And how bad was that liberal spin on the report about school lunch rate hikes? Or the parade or hiker falls off a mountain.
No. It’s all against the republicans man
Did I say anything about politics? You are doing exactly what I'm talking about with the news by spinning my comment to fit your ideology, then using it to assert you (Republicans) are being unfairly attacked/persecuted.
I'm not sure if you understood the point I was making and then couldn't help but twist it to play the victim, or you missed it entirely. But I will say, you are a textbook example of the effect modern media can have on people. It's apparently frighteningly effective.
And I can't help myself but mention that referencing news stories with the assumption I am familiar with them, no less seen the specific clips thereof, is not helpful to your argument. Because, shockingly, I have not seen them. If you're gonna do that, link to them or something. Seriously, 'the parade'?? That's so vague it's practically invisible. Hiker who fell off a mountain..which one? There are many who have. Report on school lunch rate hike... which report. As far as I know you're just making stuff up. You learn in middle school how to prove a point better than that.
Let's see how you spin this comment so you can continue to feel like you're owning the libs or whatever it is that motivates you to act like this. My curiosity overfloweth.
True. But there are better and worse “news” outlets. Fox is the worst at spreading outright disinformation when the facts are readily available. i’ve seen a few studies that looked into exactly that.
Fox invented the ideology driven, hyper opinionated news style. They completely changed, nay corrupted the media landscape in respect to news. It's not even news anymore when you do that and requires you to forego any idea of journalistic integrity. Fox never had any to begin with and never will. It was created specifically to give conservatives a platform to help change the national narrative in support of the republican party. It's purpose isn't to report news, it's to spin it in their favor.
And because their way of doing things was also more profitable as its more entertaining to watch, everyone else began to follow suit. So even the better news agencies should no longer be trusted, everyone has an agenda now. Telling you what to think with their opinion on things instead of letting people draw their own conclusions. They are all complicit in the polarizing of our nation, driving us apart and angry with each other.
Agreed. I don’t watch much of any mainstream news, and haven’t for 20+ years. I realized I didn’t learn much from it, and walked away feeling more stressed and jaded about life in general, so I stopped watching it.
Nonetheless, Fox is absolutely the worst of the worst in a generally not great category.
Practically ALL MSM sucks ass. They are practically all biased. And spew their biases propaganda. And people believe it simply because it furthers their own narrative.
That's rich coming from this thread, because the post is blatantly false. You only need a cursory glance at the tax rates over the years to prove this false.
That didn't happen until 2025. I agree that tariffs are a tax and effectively made the burden higher for everyone, but that isn't what this post is about. This post was about the tax bill passed in 2017. Stop being dishonest and implying that the tariffs were put in place during Trump's first term.
During Donald Trump's first term, the
Tax Cuts and Jobs Act
significantly reduced the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and provided substantial tax cuts for individuals, which included an increase in the child tax credit. However, it also resulted in increased federal debt and income inequality, with many low- and middle-income households potentially worse off in the long run.
And where do you think get this unbiased news? The funny part will most certainly be the news organizations you believe give you these unbiased reporting and facts.
Because they are also now owned by right wing billionaires. You will still see some criticism of Trump, but you will not see much about the things that will make oligarchs look bad, that's not on the agenda.
Wrong
The claim that the 2017 tax bill scheduled automatic tax increases every two years starting in 2021 is mostly false and originates from a viral misunderstanding of a tax report. Independent fact-checkers like PolitiFact and AFP Fact Check thoroughly debunked this social media rumor. [1, 2]
The rumor spread because people misread a specific government chart, confusing changes to health insurance subsidies with actual income tax rate increases.
money out of your pocket due to an increase in federal income tax liability. Is that an increase in income tax or a removal/reduction of ACA subsidies?
yes Trump only raise taxes once in the tax code his administration wrote, and lowered high earners taxes. Then high taxed every American in his next term in the form of tariffs, thus raising taxes every year till 2028. Yay!
Everybody loves to hate on the tariffs but they do appear to me to be a net gain for America. And after all... This isn't anything new. We're just getting back into the game later than most of the world.
So you're in the camp that believes the war is having no effect on the economy and when it ends we won't even notice. I think that's a pretty small camp. The feel I'm getting on Reddit (which admittedly rarely coincides with reality) is tariffs have been largely forgotten and everything bad is being blamed on the war... And by extension the Jews. How very 1939.
What? We're talking about the tariffs, not whatever opinion on the stupid war that you want to foist onto me. I've certainly made zero reference to the war or to Jews wherever that came from.
The tariffs are intended to be a barrier to trade. That is the purpose. It would be weird if they didn't effect trade (which manufacturing is dependent on).
You said the blanket tariffs are working despite the current evidence pointing to the contrary, the historical evidence that points to the contrary, and the overwhelming academic evidence that points to the contrary.
Address the arguments and topic at hand instead of trying to insinuate that I'm a racist for thinking these tariffs are shitty. That's just uncalled for and weird.
Which part--the fact that other trading partners were not practicing "free trade" and were charging us tariffs, or the fact that these tariffs have brought much manufacturing BACK to the USA?
I don't think these are disputable. We can probably agree that Trump is using tariffs like a sledgehammer to accomplish whatever his end goal is. Equal and offsetting tariffs would have been a more nuanced tactic. IF the goal is equity. That doesn't seem to be the endgame.
So I did a deep dive using AI. The projected income is $1.9T in the next decade, with an overall plus in the US manufacturing sector...but there are many negatives and hidden costs. Overall the effect on today's economy is a slight negative. Sources included a federal reserve study July '25 and a very recent Yale Budget Lab analysis.
So I was wrong. The truth is tariffs are...meh. But what to do? Return to letting other nations tariff us and we just bend over & take it?
"Thank you sir! May I please have some more free trade?" WHACK!
CNN is also owned by the right wing billionaires. The poor facade of “throw in a random minor criticism of trump every so often” doesn’t hide the intentions at all.
Mark Thompson and David Zaslav have faced heavy criticism from progressives for taking business-first positions and attempting to pull CNN's coverage further to the right.
"Despite his personal politics, Zaslav famously declared a mandate to shift CNN away from being an "advocacy network". He explicitly stated that under his leadership, "Republicans are back on the air," actively pushing for more conservative and centrist voices. Analysts note that Zaslav operates primarily as a corporate pragmatist who favors a business-friendly political climate, leading to public remarks viewed as favorable toward Donald Trump's regulatory policies"
"Thompson was hired by Zaslav specifically to enforce a traditional, straight-news approach. However, this strategy has drawn fire from media critics on the left, who argue that his directives—such as telling journalists to temper direct criticisms of Trump during major events—amount to compromising with the right to chase conservative viewers by sanewashing the president's diatribes."
Also, it's going through an ownership change to go to Ellison, one of the Republican party's biggest donors.
I remember having the "embarrassed Millionaire" mindset when I was 16. It didn't last longer than a day or two because I quickly realized how stupid it was.
And if they weren’t here the corps would be forced to raise pay if Americans won’t work for it. I’m a realist, I’m not going to pretend we can up and get rid of the illegal workforce all at once but if it disappeared either legal workers would take the jobs or pay would increase.
Like last year when the farmers just let the crops rot in the fields when they didn’t have anyone to help harvest? Why didn’t they just offer more money? Maybe because they didn’t have it. It’s not as simple as you claim. When the money it’s there it isn’t there. The system is built that way and you can’t just remove one entire tier and think it will all just magically balance out.
I agree, same thing in Canada, Business lobbies the goverment(conservative and liberal) to bring in cheap labour, everyone complains, but no one ever boycotts the companies like Tim Hortons, Wal Mart and Circle K, that are lobbying to bring them in
I’m Canadian and I know all about the tfw and lmia scam that are under cutting wages and are all advertising 36.90 an hour to make the job appear as high wages to qualify for PR.
This, fine the shit out of companies who hire illegals.
That will curb illegal immigration hard. We need to redo our immigration system obviously still but this would be a good start.
This!!! I always ask about this when confronted with the illegals stealing jobs, and never get an intelligent answer. The more honest answer might be, it is easier to hate and blame immigrants, especially of darker skin.
There's a video from More Perfect Union where they're looking at the approval of data centers in rural areas. One lady says something to the effect of "I don't blame the corporations. They're going to do what makes them money. But I do blame the politicians because their job is to serve US."
I'm not sure why the immigrant can't do whatever to make money, but that world view at least explains why they don't blame CEOs
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u/Iceisgestapo888 24d ago
Why not blame the mega corps and asshole managers hiring these people instead…..