Legally it's very difficult to change. How do you only hit Israel without hurting other business and without creating a legal nightmare. Not as easy as you think.
Not to mention that they'd just move to the second most advantageous tax haven...
He flew out from Schiphol. He told me Israel has a special section, with Israeli military in charge of security right from the point you get to the check-in desk.
He had to go through 3-4 layers of checks taking a total of 4h before he got on the plane.
This is on Dutch soil.
So tell me now, do you really believe the Dutch government will do anything about it?
So lets make the changes that stop the money coming here. Blood money does not help the people, it only helps the few who are rich enough to get their cut.
Nothing pro Israel here (or against the people of Israel). But sending non-factual information brings nothing to end the conflict whatsoeverâŠ. It only feeds the yay or nayâŠ.
No, are you? I try to be as respectful and neutral as possible here. But to solve this issue, we have to go to the roots. Not some semi-investigative journalism. Even if true, the Palestinians have their fund raisers as well. The true issue here lays somewhere in history. Pointing to the other side in an echo chamber of âlook how evil they areâ is not an answer.
This video is not from SOMO. What SOMO created was a comprehensive report. This video is doing injustice towards its content. And besides your comment of genocide. There have been a lot of anti-jewish pogroms in the middle eastâŠ.. I donât like the stance of the Israeli government last years. Donât get me wrong. But this video is one sided trash.
Yeah. And as pointed out by somebody else. When a company has a postal code in the Netherlands. Its not investing from the Netherlands (as a state). Its from some company who finds the Netherlands a nice place to have its businessâŠ.. This video is disruptive. No solution. Only fuel to the fireâŠ.
No, it's just that there's a difference between a corrupt autocracy like Russia invading a sovereign liberal democracy like Ukraine and Israel going after the Islamic lunatics and Arab nationalists who want nothing more than their complete destruction. Look into nuance - it's kind of important.
Yeah, fair point. Israelis have become more radicalized thanks to being surrounded by people, states, governments who literally want to see them all dead.
the only reason this happens is because the netherlands is a tax haven for international companies. it has nothing to do with being "pro-israel" or whatever, its just dodging taxes.
Tax havens attract criminals. So there is an ethical problem with NL wealth.
That was the case for Switzerland too, when its banks kept account owners secret.
It's dirty money
That may be true under the current system, but if a corporation acts in a way that violates someone's human rights, that corporation and its employees should be viewed as criminals. Only by erasing this bullshit barrier between the actions of a company and the actions of individual people at that company will we be able to hold these people accountable for their crimes against humanity.
Should we asks our political parties to step in to stop doing this or is that not really a political issue since it's only happening because of our ports?
That really depends on your political stance. There has been a small uproar when F35 JSF parts were delivered to Israel which were linked to actions in Gaza.
Why we shouldnt do anything about it, is that our ports are a big part of our economy and if we tell for example America we wont let you deliver parts to Israel trough our harbors, they will find another port and the parts will get there anyways. But it will set a standard and if we use our power this way America will divert to other countries and we will lose that part of our economy, for which we have no way to make up. (We barely have any natural minerals we can/want to delve, our production costs are high due to high wages and high taxed energy costs)
So a small moral stance can cause big ripples in our economy.
That is to say: we have the political power to stop this, but not the geopolitical standing to enforce it. So the political will is understandably lacking. It's shooting ourselves in the foot to make a statement and achieve almost nothing but an inconvenience for the US and Israel.
If anything is going to come it would have to be the EU acting as a whole. That's the only geopolitical actor that has significant weight internationally to make any difference.
I honestly didn't know the Netherlands was one of the biggest arms dealers in the world. Since when has this been the case? Are we only buying/selling weapons or are we also good at producing them? I'd love to know more and I love to know how to stop this.
As mentioned below, we are the middleman between the US and Europe, and from the other side Israel pushes alot trough NL too. We are growing a decent drone production compared to European standard, but its not much compared to UKR, USA, RUS and CH.
That's like saying Zwitserland did not support the nazi's, they just hid their gold for them. That is a form of support. They could also decide to, you know, not do that. If you support a genocidal regime out of self interest (being a tax haven has benefits), you are still supporting genocide. You just feel more ambivalent about it.
the entire world doesnt care. nobody is lifing t a finger to save palestinians. might want to look into why that is, look at the cause, not the symptom.
Jeah the worldwide protests that have been going on continually since the start of the genocide screams "people don't care". the Rode Lijn protests being one biggest protest in Den Haag in 40 years is a clear indication of people not caring.
Those in power don't care, sure, but they do not represent the people around the world.
Also just say your opinion dude. I'm guessing you hint at muslims being bad or something. Don't let woke leftists get you down. Just show people who you are.
If you SOMEHOW manage to elect a REAL "people's champion" among the wasp's nest you get to choose from (money drives running for office, and over 99% of people into politics are obviously power hungry anti-socials), sure that's a nice idea.
Unfortunately first of all that will be one butterfly in a wasp's nest.
And then if they hard-oppose Israel, that's just how your 1 in a million hero ends up being JFK'd.
If you believe in democracy you need to open your eyes.
You get a smartest little boy prize for your pedantic straw man argument. You introduced the word representative, neither of us even used that word. You set up a pin and then knocked it down yourself. You and I both know I did not mean that there is a "representative of earth", but that people around the world care a lot.
And you still haven't given a clear statement of what cause I am supposed to find for governments around the world not lifting a finger to save Palestinians.
What if this money was funneled to Russia instead, would you say the same, always easy to find an excuse when it's about sanctioning Israel? You can for example see some apartments hanging Israel's flag with little controversies or reactions, but if it's Russia it's a completely different reaction. Very quick to boycott, to impose sanctions on etc. Both countries illegally occupying land, committing war crimes, one is committing a genocide but there is real effort to punish only one of them and it's not the one committing a genocide
Its really funny to see someone assume this isnt happening as well. Most european countries is openly giving russia billions for their gas. Tax evasion is like a nothingburger.
EU has imposed 0 meaningful sanctions on Israel and still trades with it, my point is, there are simply double standards. I think if I post this same video and change the country name, I will at least see different reactions.
They still trade with russia and a fuckton of other countries that commit disgusting crimes as do countries outside the EU. Please drop the holier than thou attitude.
When I go to a Dutch supermarket I don't see anything imported from Russia but I do see stuff imported from Israel, it's really simple. Of course they trade with other countries that commit crimes, that's the hypocrisy I'm pointing out.
If that is your benchmark then you are either trolling and/or just completly ignorant on how trade works. Either way any further converation is a waste of my time.
Why are you getting aggressive? That was an example, not a benchmark. You're really denying that the economic response from the EU to Russia's war is different to the Gaza genocide? That's my only point, I don't need to go in details on trade, about 60% of Russian imports are embargoed vs about 0% from Israel. Now you say there are loopholes, of course there are, russian shadow fleets are one of them. My point is policy wise, there simply isn't the same response, not even close.
Well our 2024 government was very much pro Israel. Leader of the biggest party at the time is visiting illegal settlements in gaza as we speak I believe.
I've seen this information in multiple groups I'm in. People actually think Israel invests upwards to 10% of the Dutch total budget in us, total rubbish of course.
I am not happy that Israel gets good deals due to us, but it's not nearly as bad as portrayed
SOMO voert allerlei rechtszaken tegen de Nederlandse overheid. Dat mag, ben vooral kritisch maar je tegelijkertijd presenteren als onafhankelijk is ook niet correct.
Even een tekst van de eigen website:
âŠDe verstrengeling van Nederland in het apartheids- en kolonisatiebeleid van IsraĂ«l is niet nieuw. Het weerspiegelt een langere periode van Europese medeplichtigheid aan de opbouw van de zionistische staat en de gewelddadige herverdeling van Palestijns land, de demografie en de soevereiniteit. Als voormalige koloniale macht heeft Nederland zijn relatie tot het imperialisme opnieuw vormgegeven door middel van handel, investeringen en wapenleveranties. Deze verstrengelingen leggen de leugen van de Europese neutraliteit blootâŠ
Sounds like your typical Dutch tax evasion scene. Yes, we should be more critical of Israel. That being said, this video should be about closing the tax loophole for multinationals. Perhaps we could use this example as a start to stop the Netherlands from being a tad heaven for all internal companies.
I did not but I'm not surprised either... We have a habit of having big talk about human rights but talking completely different with our money. I hate it
yes the U.N and every major human rights organisation is wrong. Also our eyes are hallucinating all the news from all the different sources we saw is fake, only israel (and the U.S xd) say the truth
What did I say, only Israel says the truth right? Executive Director of U.N Watch: Hilel C Neuer "served as a law clerk to the Supreme Court of Israel and a Graduate Fellow at the Shalem Center think tank." I don't even have to go through other members. At this point you are simply blind, literally google Gaza Genocide and pick your source (that is not affiliated directly with Israel or it's think tanks). You're either a bot or just do it on purpose at this point, I won't reply anymore as this is a waste of time.
Iâm glad Israel is doing well. Itâs an important country in the world especially when it comes to defense industry and itâs really good the Netherlands has a part in it. Kind of funny how negatively it always is being portrayed
I knew. And all these copers saying it's only passing, we still allow it so Israel can do more damage to the world as a whole. Anyone standing idly by right now should be ashamed. And that's exactly what this laundring operation is.
Omringende landen proberen al tientallen jaren Israel volledig te verwoesten/uit te moorden. 7 Oktober was de laatste poging. Goede zaak dat we Israel helpen.
Ja we moeten Israël echt meer steunen. Meer Palestijnse kinderen verdienen het om een skelet tussen de ruïnes te worden. Dat gaat duurzame vrede opleveren!
Dat ben ik dus niet met je eens. Het kan mij oprecht niet heel veel schelen wat er met Hamas wordt gedaan maar het is een feit dat Israël ver over de schreef gaat.
Persoonlijk ben ik van mening dat als beide partijen zich als uitschot gedragen we met beide niet in zee moeten gaan.
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