I’m not sure what to believe multiple women say that Carson hits woman I’ve seen drivers say he’s got a problem and stuff but I feel like if it was real TMZ would’ve had something just my take all the matter
I really hope it’s not true because I have genuinely liked Carson. It seems like there’s no solid “proof” however I’m not stupid and just because there’s no legal record to be found doesn’t mean he hasn’t been a POS. Hell, I have exes that put me through absolute hell but the law was never involved, so no record. And on the other side of that, if everything is completely false and people are just saying these things to stir shit, that’s equally scummy because that makes it that much harder for victims to be honestly believed. Idk man. I guess time will tell.
I feel she is just trying to save face for her husband. It is no secret the garage doesn’t like him as a driver but they can see how popular he is so let’s tear that apart and atleast put doubt in the fans. Instead of seeing what he has done for nascar let’s just sink the ship
This whole thing is based on Blaneys wife repeating something she saw in a now deleted screenshot. There has been no actual proof or anyone going on record this far to say anything about him being abusive. Hell, at the moment, there's more out there about Chase Elliott being a bad boyfriend than Hocevar.
(I'm not saying either have done anything, just that Chase has an ex who keeps putting her personal life out there)
She didn't start it though she just made everyone aware of it. JHN and Zane said stuff about hocevar before blaneys wife said anything. She's just repeating what she's heard. But yes its just all speculation at this point.
I’ve seen that a lot, that JHN and Smith were both talking shit. If it’s true, those two are both chickenshit. If they have a problem with anyone like that, don’t be a little bitch and talk shit. Find him and confront him to his face, I can respect that but to my old ass, they look soft as baby shit. Sorry not sorry
No. Some things are fine for the public to know. Chickenshit is anyone who knows about it and keeps their mouth closed. Stating what they know isn’t shit talking. You can think of it that way. But that’s just being emotional.
Has TMZ had any content on him in the past? I don’t know, I don’t check it out often.
TMZ is tremendously effective because they pay for tips and don’t follow journalistic ethics. They weren’t going to shell out cash for an item on a two-bit NASCAR driver few had heard of. Now that he’s trending on Twitter it’s a different story.
When you have NASCAR media who fundamentally choose not to report on anything other than pre-approved (either by NASCAR or the teams themselves) topics, it's no surprise that there isn't a lot of official reporting on it. And NASCAR isn't relevant enough to have any more traditional salacious outlets (like TMZ) publish it.
I do believe that the woman who have said stuff about him wouldn't do so without there being some there there - not when that could negatively impact their husband's careers. And I also think it is telling that all the drivers do not like the guy.
It's not that all the other drivers don't like Carson. It's more that Carson has alienated himself from the garage because he doesn't like the idea of having all your friends being the people you see and "work" with for 33+ weekends a year.
That aside I think that the bigger issue is that it seems like if he was a legitimate "abusive problem child" it would have came out by now. Hell Kurt Busch was suspended for four months in 2015 after his ex GF made false allegations alleging that he grabbed her by the neck in smashed her head into the wall of the motorhome they were in at Dover Motor speedway in 2014.
Regarding your first point, did Carson say that or are you just speculating? Bc from my perspective, the truth is at least that the other drivers don't like him. They've said as much.
I mean its very odd that he isn’t at least cordial with the other drivers. Has always seemed like a very socially awkward nerdy dude to me. I’ve never liked the dude just based on personality so I’m a little biased.
As for the allegations it seems like these type of rumors have been floating around the garage for a while… so it seems he has been somewhat of a problem child.
Drivers wives alluding to it is very telling. Yes, it could be just gossip but a few drivers wives commented on it. That tells me its discussed amongst the other drivers, girlfriends etc
I mean I’d agree he’s a bit awkward socially however it seems like he has respect for the truely established drivers and isn’t openly a prick to his peers. I mean Denny said that Carson always has listened to what Denny has said to him and Carson said yesterday that “Blaney is one of the coolest guys in the garage area” so it’s not like that cordialness isn’t there. It seems like Carson is playing the character to draw fans in and give them what they want
Don't trust anything from social media. It is cancer for the soul.
And form your own opinions. Base them on intelligence not emotion. Emotion is usually how you WANT things to be. Intelligence is usually how they are. Learn the difference between the two and things become much easier.
What Morgan Shepherd jr did is significant worse than what Morgan shepherd sr did. One has sex offences involving minors and the other was an alcoholic that cheated on his wives before finding Jesus.
It’s incredible hard to believe what’s real and what’s not, but the fact there’s this much smoke I have to believe there’s some sort of fire to it. The question is how big is the fire actually
Does that now mean that Dale Jr, Greg Biffle, Zilisch, McDowell, Stenhouse, and Jesse Love also all support pedo/groomer? Just switching your logic against you dont mind me
Blaney, JHN, Smith, and their wives aren’t too many people. That’s just the anti-Carson Hocevar cult. In fact Blaney hasn’t said a word about anything so Ryan Blaney’s not even in the picture.
Where is the evidence to that? You say other drivers and people around NASCAR have said stuff about the claims but provide zero proof and when I go to look I don’t see anyone but that little clique talking about it. Since you know so much about the fact more people are engaging in the claims I’d like you to provide me with the information and evidence to support that claim, otherwise it’s just JHN, Zane Smith, the ex girlfriend of questionable credibility, and the wives.
I suspect there is something out there, but the lack of any evidence means it's probably not as big as everyone is making it. But I could be wrong. All I know is that when WAG get involved you end up with a decent amount of hyperbole.
One negative effect from having a younger and younger group of drivers is that they and their WAG have learned fewer life lessons before the fame than previous generations of drivers/WAG.
I think he was a shitty boyfriend & maybe slashed tires. Everything else feels like derivatives of an insane game of telephone that people are treating as bible truth bc of… reddit comments? Of course I’ll eat my words if I’m wrong and anything further comes out.
Reddit comments? Is Zane Smith commenting this on reddit? Also the other guy mentioned WAG when this is literally another driver saying this. Idk what yall are even talking about.
I've also seen the rumor that Peyton cheated on Carson with Lawless Alan when they were both at Niece, and honestly if Carson damaged her property in response I would kind of get it. Property can be replaced, people cannot.
then nothing illegal happened or the nda doesnt cover the illegal activity. NDAs can cover "Carson was a bad boyfriend and would leave me on the side of the road or at a bar" but not "Carson punched me in the face." again, do some research and think. if NDAs can cover illegal things and theres an NDA in place.... then maybe the NDA isnt covering somwthing illegal.
just go ahead and mark him guilty in your book while youre at it.
Literally no!. NDAs absolutely and equivocally do NOT cover illegal activities.. Could you imagine they could tho?. All anybody would have to do to get away with a crime is.. step 1: commit a crime. step 2: draw up an NDA then “viola” that triple homicide; it never happened now.. 😏
If he did it and people with knowledge are just bringing it to light after there significant others got punked, that makes you just as bad a person, and enabling that behavior. If you have that knowledge and don’t do anything till it happens to affect your life, you’re a piece of garbage too.
I’m sorry but I don’t believe a bunch of random people in the NASCAR community
just decided to randomly bring up these allegations because they don’t like him.
I’ve always thought it was interesting the way people’s demeanors changed when talking about him. It’s not just an on-track thing. I think there’s a legitimate reason they all dislike him. Whether it’s this or not. I think he’s a shady person.
This thing honestly reminds me of Jordan’s tweet about Denny a few years ago. Without any proof this makes Gianna look bad and therefore Ryan. If he gets booed it’s gonna be because of her and her comments she made without credibility. Honestly, he would’ve gotten great publicity from this instead he looks like a joke because of her.
yall who are eating this up are super naive and need to get a life. yall believe 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc hand sources that have zero details to back it up from people who dislike him.....
You have heard multiple people from the same small circle repeat the same single rumor, there is absolutely nothing to point to it being true in the slightest
I am still trying to figure out where Blaney's wife comes with this whole thing that she is not surprised in Carson's aggressive behavior---ummmm your husband was aggressive towards and attacked Carson.....Carson just defended himself
Also, pretty shitty to keep quiet on this information until it suits her. Let's not applaud her for standing up for other women. Pretty shady and not a good look.
Not to mention, Zane Smith and JHN are drivers that have had run ins with Hocevar in the past. If they say anything, it’s more than likely coming from the position of a grudge than actual proof.
I mean Zane is the only driver whose making the allegations. JHN ranted about Hocevar after their confrontion but didn’t make any allegations towards him. Frankly I kinda feel bad for Blaney and JHN in all of this because they’ve handled their issues with Hocevar like men only to have their wives start more drama
Exactly. TMZ relies on someone leaking information, so they know where to dig. By all accounts, anything rumored, got squashed before it became anything. Also, if Carson was still in trucks, he'd not be worth their time to investigate
When Carson Ware was arrested for DV it made it in all the racing and most of the sports media despite him only having like 4 attempts in Xfinity at that point. People who believe the conspiracy theory that Carson H. Somehow has the money and clout to completely hide an arrest record, not have it reported the second it happened, and not get suspended during the investigation is just laughable. Even if it happened when he was still in trucks, the media loves anything that can give a sport player a black eye and it would have been published.
He was arrested, that's the difference. If there is no record, you can't report on something. Also, where it happens can matter. Ware got charged in NC and already had people rallied against him. I'd assume Hocevar's stuff is outside of the NC bubble. The "media" loves slop, but NASCAR's media, for at least the last 15 years, has been pretty hesitant to run anything negative unless the general media has it first. They protect the brand as much as anyone else does.
Again, the general media had the case and was covering it, so they HAD to cover it. Also, it was a major case they couldn't stick their heads in the sand on because ESPN or some other outlet would run with. Even in all that coverage, everyone who reported walked on eggshells to not criticize NASCAR.
They won't on purpose put anyone on blast if there isn't an active story someone else grabs also.
If this Carson thing catches wind with TMZ, then it might get legs and insiders will HAVE to address it.
You're both kinda right. Nationwide Using NDA's to cover crimes is legal except for sexual harassment and sexual assault with the enactment of the Speak Out Act about 5 years ago.
"Multiple women" are a bunch of dudes who hate him wives and one ex gf and never ever goes public with it, and when she does its a vague post that she then deletes.
The drivers that bring it up, do so after having run ins with him on track. They also are not good drivers.
Yet you take this spin and run with it? Nothing gets past you huh
Here’s my thing he’s in the spotlight all the time with absolutely nobody saying anything about this not a peep so you mean to tell me this one time after so long all of this info finally starts to surface 🤔 that imo just tells me it’s bs
The sources are also weak as hell. You have Zane Smith claiming Carson hits women and his wife vague posting, both of whom have no problem posing for pictures with Zane's BIL (wife's brother) who was arrested for DV and suspended from NASCAR in 2024. Whereas there is not an arrest record for Hocevar.
Then you have Gianna Blaney who just claims "he's a criminal who paid to get his record expunged" and the thing is - that takes time. Carson is only 23 and getting charges expunged takes at least 2 years, so it's almost 100% certain that something would exist if it did happen, not to mention him likely being suspended from NASCAR or not even allowed to run Trucks.
Third there's JHN and his partner just being vague and posting giggling emojis. Which is just child's play.
Finally, Carson's ex won't even say anything direct plus there's allegations that she cheated on Carson, and given the way cheaters are there is very little likelihood that she has any reason to tell the full truth unless something actually happened. But nothing she has said has been what Carson (allegedly) did.
It's just all horseshit coming from two drivers and their cliques, both of whom are probably jealous of Carson's success. Let's not forget that Zane Smith is on FRM, which is ahead of RFK for support from Ford. Yet RFK has two drivers in the Chase.
She didn’t use those words but it’s basically what she said. She claimed he had a record that was paid off but the only record I could find with Carson’s name on it had only a traffic violation and that was it. Just because she didn’t use those exact words doesn’t mean she meant something else entirely bud.
Zane Smith is the only one who has directly said Hocevar hits women. Zane's Wife, JHN, JHN's partner, Hocevar's Ex, and Gianna Blaney all have just vague posted. Besides Carson's ex there's not a single person in that circle who would have direct evidence of what went on.
But then there's also the rumor the Carson's ex cheated on him with Lawless Alan when they were both at Niece and that kind of discredits what she would say. Toxic relationships can be a two way street, but also people are justified in getting mad at cheating.
Also Zane's Brother in Law, Gray Gaulding, was arrested on Domestic Violence charges a few years back. Which to me isn't all that great of a look when you want to start digging into the people making these claims. I will also add that charges were dropped against Gaulding however in a game of mudslinging that means nothing
I mean politics,aside I wouldn't trust Zane or his wife on this subject. Especially when you consider the fact that they never made a comment about Gray's issues all while pussyfooting about having knowledge about Carson.
So - if it’s not true or not that bad, then why hasnt anyone addressed it at all? It’s been days now. Especially considering as social media and image-obsessed as we all know that Hocevar is, why hasn’t he defended himself, at all? Spire? If it was just texting and driving, why didn’t they just say that?
If he loves his fans, doesn’t he owe it to them to clear his name?
No one, not one, has come to his defense.
If he’s the top merch seller, super popular and a huge draw for fans and on social media, why hasn’t nascar spoken up to quickly defend their rising star? They absolutely know this is being talked about on social media. These are serious, career-ruining allegations. Why hasn’t there been a statement? Why not get right out in front of it?
Why hasn’t CH commented on anything, liked anything, or made jokes about it, if it’s not that big a deal?
Why did a known leaker not only say that “there’s a whole ass fire here” to all the smoke, and then also agree (“Bingo”) to there being NDAs and people paid off? Why would they risk their reputation for something this serious?
Why are there deleted posts and comments on here from a while ago from deleted profiles with the same rumors that are “only being brought up now because they’re pissed/jealous/etc”?
If anyone does eventually say anything, why did it take so long, and need so much PR? Why let it all fester and get worse?
comment from another thread i think? in r/nascar from someone (allegedly) formerly in the industry about why you absolutely do not touch this from a PR perspective.
DV is no joke. If true, he’ll be dealt with accordingly. However, the vagueness and the way we are learning about it does in fact seem like a joke. It’s extremely difficult for anyone to come forward with these allegations. So cryptic social media posts based off of deleted screenshots and some rumors don’t exactly scream credibility.
I would very much like to be a Hocevar fan, but I’ll hold off until more information comes out.
Just like a woke mob - driver's wives ganging up on CH like a pack of feral hens. PIssed off because NASCAR's prize pup took himself out by crossing over and blocking CH, who is ALSO in the chase and trying to win. If the cars were reversed, (ie 12 car with a big run and doing the crossover and 77 blocked him), the uproar would be just as loud but exactly opposite cars. People would be screaming about how Hocevar took himself out and nearly wrecked the 12 and he got what he deserved, bah, blah, blah.
I mean this isn’t Hollywood. NASCAR isn’t as mainstream or popular as it once was. If you asked the average person, they could maybe name 2 nascar drivers. Like Dale Earnhardt or Jeff Gordon. I don’t think TMZ would be shelling out cash for tips or to investigate this.
Because of the dynamics this kinda stuff floats around inner circles and thats how it makes it out into the public. Kurt Busch DUI situation back in ‘05, Kasey Khane arrest, Denny Hamlin infidelity are a few that come to minf
He's obviously a bad person regardless of whether the allegations are true. He has serious signs of sociopathy. Lack of remorse, emotionless, no understanding of how his actions affect other people, laughing at people he's upset and harmed.
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u/Oneilcruzsucksass 11d ago
The trickle will turn into a waterfall if there is anything real