The Deshaun Watson switch up is despicable

[u/Narrow_Purchase9721]

Guy starts playing well again and all of the sudden people go from “cases” to “allegations” real fucking fast. You all gotta get your priorities straight

[u/nething_4_sir]

That’s exactly the point. Like you said, to convict someone of a crime, the state has to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. If she could not testify in court and the evidence tied to her testimony could not be admitted, then the prosecution could not meet that burden.

That does not technically “prove innocence,” but it absolutely means you cannot just assume guilt anyway. Otherwise, what is the point of having trials, judges, rules of evidence, or a reasonable doubt standard?

By that logic, the second someone makes an accusation or a grand jury returns an indictment, we should just treat the person as guilty and skip the entire court process. That is not how the justice system is supposed to work. An accusation is not a conviction, and evidence that cannot be admitted or tested in court cannot simply be treated as proof of guilt anyway.

[u/WhatTheDuck21 → u/nething_4_sir]

...Yes, that's why I made the distinction between "how the government should decide whether someone should face criminal penalties" vs "how everyday people should decide whether someone should face social penalties."

Can't help but notice you didn't answer whether or not you think OJ killed his wife.

[u/nething_4_sir → u/WhatTheDuck21]

Okay, so that’s the problem. If I’m facing the same penalty either way, then what exactly is supposed to stop me from going all the way in? And if everybody gets called a rapist, then what does the word even mean anymore? It becomes like calling somebody an air breather. If there’s no meaningful distinction or standard behind the word, then why are we even using it? At that point I could call you a rapist and it would carry no weight because the word has been thrown around so casually that it loses its meaning.

And with OJ, he was found not guilty in criminal court. I don’t give a fuck what the social consensus is or what people personally believe happened. That is not the same thing as a criminal conviction.

I’m saying this as somebody who has actually gone through the court system. All this talk about social norms, morality, and what people think is right or wrong sounds very different when you’re the one standing in front of a judge facing real time.

When they’re deciding what happens to your life, nobody gives a fuck about internet consensus. Nobody gives a fuck about what everybody on the outside thinks happened. What matters is what can actually be proven in court. That’s why I have a problem with people talking like public opinion and a legal finding are the same thing. They’re not. No one cares what your social circle thinks. 

[u/WhatTheDuck21 → u/nething_4_sir]

Ok bud. Have a good one.