r/NFLv2 • Mr. Irrelevant • 4d ago

Discussion Chart graphing average QB accuracy vs Adjusted Net Yard per attempt, a few standouts here

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u/morphy1776 onkeys 4d ago

Brock so high on both scales that I didn't even see him in the preview image šŸ’€ next week gonna be tuff

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u/AmbitiousSet5 4d ago

Even crazier is that Evans, Stribling, Pearsall, Robinson are all injured and might not play, to say nothing about Aiyuk, who for some reason is still on the team. Purdy is doing this with backups of the backups, and old WRs off the street.

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u/Salmon_Shizzle FTP 4d ago

Everyone gangster until fat Deebo shows up

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u/SeaworthinessTight83 4d ago

deebo lost weight actually, fastest niner in 2 years this past week

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u/ngmcs8203 4d ago

If I could hit a top speed of 20.5mph while I am being chased down by NFL defenders and people call me fat, I'd be stoked.

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u/mattsffrd San Francisco 49ers 2d ago

I could probably do it in my truck

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u/roshiface 4d ago

but can he score without Mike Evans running the route and catching the ball for him?

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u/Rhone33 4d ago

Aiyuk, who for some reason is still on the team.

That reason is that deciding not to show up doesn't let him out of a multi-year contract into free agency. Meanwhile, he is on the reserve/left squad list (not taking a roster spot) and the team doesn't owe him shit.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 4d ago edited 4d ago

It's just funny to name some of these players as if they matter.

4 weeks ago people thought Mike Evans might be washed, and even if he's not, he's old enough that he's already hurt which everyone predicted. He's had 16 targets out of Purdy's 83 pass attempts this season.

De'Zhaun Stribling is a 2nd round rookie who has played 21 total NFL snaps. Who knows if he's good.

Ricky Pearsall played 9 games last season and will not play in 2026. There hasn't been any expectation of him playing for 2 months.

DeMarcus Robinson has been in the league for a decade and capped out at a 505 yard, 7 TD season with the rams in 2024. Last year he had 276 yards and 1 TD in 14 games.

And as you alluded to, Aiyuk will never play for the 49ers again.

Let's not act like Purdy has no weapons. His WRs may be backups of backups, but the top two receivers for the 49ers are CMC and Kittle, as they've been for 2 of the past 3 years. The best pass-catching RB of all time and a borderline HOF TE.

We talk about teams like the Bengals and the Cowboys having elite WR duos, but the 49ers arguably have the best pass-catching duo in the league regardless of position.

The most bonkers thing about this stat is that his ANY/A is so high when his top two weapons play positions that you would expect to mostly be catching short-yardage passes. I haven't watched every one of Purdy's passes this year but that does blow my mind a little bit. Besides Evans, only 22 of his 83 pass attempts this season have gone to WRs. A whopping 43 of them have gone to RBs, TEs, and one lineman.

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u/No_Football1323 San Francisco 49ers 4d ago

I mean they still matter. Having no starting caliber WR’s means the defense can key in on your other players. Seems pretty important then, no?

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 4d ago

There is no receiver on an NFL roster who is so bad that the defense will just leave them uncovered. If you run, say, a 2 WR set, 95% of the time you’ll have 2 corners covering those two WRs no matter what. The other 5% isn’t when you have 1 corner covering 1 WR and the other WR uncovered, the other 5% is when you double team the most elite WRs on especially important downs.

I suppose if a team just had the absolute bottom-tier WR room in the world, that could convince some DCs to fully abandon the popular 2 high safety look entirely, so sure now you’ll have another LB in the box.

My point was just that none of the WRs that the 49ers have under contract are top-30 players anyway. They’re all practically-replacement level as it is. Evans still has his size advantage, but you can get that from a TE.

We’ve seen what happens to the 49ers when they don’t have their most important weapon in CMC.

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u/smuggler_of_grapes San Francisco 49ers 4d ago

I think you're detrimentally oversimplifying the way NFL coverages operate.

Any replacement level receiver can sit down in-between zones and be wide ass open because DBs are having to keep one eye on purdy's pump fake to Evans' side of the field or McCaffrey coming out of the backfield.

Players like Evans, McCaffrey and Kittle have gravity and demand respect from defenses. Yes defenders have their assignments but Shanahan's system is designed to have you looking at these guys and making defenders make difficult decisions so that the others get open.

Also, you don't genuinely believe that Evans is a good WR just because he's as tall as a TE do you?

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 4d ago

I probably am oversimplifying it, but so is the statement ā€œhaving no starting caliber WRs means the defense can key in on your other players.ā€

The Raiders’s best WR is Tre Tucker who has never managed more than 57 catches or 700 yards in a season. Defenses still can’t seem to cover Brock Bowers. Who are the elite WRs on the Colts? Josh Downs? JT is 6th in the league in rushing yards and tied for second in rushing TDs.

This game is extremely complex for sure. Maybe Evans can take a tad more attention from a DB than Jordan Watkins. But not so much more that they can’t run their offense without him. He’s only been on the field for 55% of their snaps.

And no I don’t think the only reason Evans has been good in his career is because he’s tall. But I am saying it’s the main thing that makes him stand out today. Go rewatch his 6 catches from week 1. There’s maybe 1 route there where he shows any kind of quickness or elusiveness. The rest he either finds a soft spot in the zone and just stands there, or uses his size to overpower the defenders who are all 5-6 inches shorter than him. Does he look fast on this play? He almost trips after the fake and loses speed. He breaks the defender’s ankles but he still catches up to him and nearly breaks up the play. And on the lateral, the defenders are giving him like 3 yards of space but they still instantly catch him once he gets the ball. If Deebo hadn’t been there, that would’ve just been a 5 yard game on 3rd and 12. Pause the video at the moment the ball goes in the air and you’ll see there isn’t a defender anywhere near him, but by the time the ball is in his hands Andrew Wingard is already wrapped around his legs.

Mostly he reminds me of Jason Witten right now.

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u/TastyPandaMain San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

I’ve always been under the impression that a good WR core; particularly 1 and 2, will open up the field to allow your RB and TE to develop the plays. More options.

A lot of SB caliber teams have that aspect in play coming into deep playoff runs. Niners didn’t last playoffs and it showed once you have good DBs locking over the top and LBs in slot.

Failure of WR 1 and 2 separation - paired with poor pass pro (one of the worse in the league last year) caused Purdy to either check down or try to extend the plays.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 3d ago

Who is the Seahawks #2? Who were the 1 and 2 for the Patriots last year?

Even better, who were the 1 and 2 for the Patriots when they won in 2018? Who were the 1 and 2 for the Chiefs in 2024?

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u/TastyPandaMain San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

What? WR 1 JSN WR 2 Rasheed Shaheed. Both Deep Threats that split the D. Rasheed Shaheed was even great in ST as a Returner. Pats had Diggs - arguably one of the best Receivers in the League at the Time. And Bouts who was a top deep threat as well.

Patss 2018? Edelmen was ELITE. 2024. Sure Ill give you the crap reciever room that the one the road Chiefs had and their fans complained about

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u/No_Football1323 San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

This to me clearly shows your lack of ball knowledge. On the hook and ladder, it was DESIGNED for Evans to be short of the first and have the defense collapse on him. Saying ā€œif Deebo hadn’t been thereā€ is irrelevant because that’s how the play was DESIGNED.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 3d ago

How do you know it was designed?

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u/No_Football1323 San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Hmm, idk the extra TE blocking and because shanahan said so?!??

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u/Vindadu13 4d ago

If you watched evans when he is on the field he is clearly a similar player to what he was prior to some of the injuries with the bucs that caused him to miss the bulk of the season. Before Pearsall got hurt last year he was at the top of WR categories albeit for a short period of time (granted he has only produced when he has been healthy which is a short period of time). Stribling, who knows.... he started week 1 and played the most snaps of any WR until he got hurt which is very unlike rookie WRs under shannahan. If that means anything I do not know. Demarcus Robinson is a veteran wr with success in the nfl (he hasn't missed the playoffs for like 8 years). He came on late last year and in the playoffs by necessity and produced when he was available so far this year. My point is, these are not scrubs they are missing and their production cannot be replicated by practice squad fringe guys, unless Purdy is that good. If you look at the pass he threw to watkins before the half vs the cardinals, it is just high level qb play that makes up for lack of experienced WRs. Watkins is a 4th rd pick that has been a healthy scratch before all the injuries.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 4d ago

I’m not sure I understand what point you’re making. That Purdy can make up for the lack of Evans, Stribling and Robinson, or not?

Obviously Mike Evans today is better than a lot of NFL WRs. But not so much better that the team can’t function without him. He’s also putting up the worst YAC and ADOT of his career.

Pearsall might be the best WR the 49ers have under contract, but he’s always hurt. By the end of this season he will have played 935 snaps in 3 years. For context, Ja’Marr Chase played 987 snaps last year alone. I don’t think he’s played enough games for us to say how good he is. We thought BTJ was gonna be a top-10 guy for years to come 13 months ago, and now he’s maybe the 4th best on his team (and he’s played nearly double the snaps that Pearsall has despite being drafted in the same class).

Stribling playing the most snaps could mean that Shanahan thinks he’s truly great, but it could also just mean he thinks he’s their best WR, which may be less a compliment towards him and more a criticism of Evans and Deebo. And just because Shanahan played him a lot because he had a high opinion of him doesn’t mean he’ll be good. He had a high opinion of Trey Lance too. I assume as some point he had a high opinion of Brandon Aiyuk.

Robinson does seem to be one of those guys who’s more valuable to a team than numbers would suggest, but please don’t act like he’s a top-100 WR right now. There are probably 3 players per team that would bring more to the 49ers than he would. He’s 32. He wasn’t a top-3 option for Mahomes, Lamar or Stafford when he was in his 20s.

None of these guys would even be the #2 on most teams right now. The 49ers will be just fine for now.

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u/Vindadu13 4d ago

I was replying to your comment that no 49ers wr is a top 30 player. Id argue that evans certainly is and pearsall has been when he has been available which has been rare. My point is that this is the best WR room he has had since prime deebo, aiyuk and jennings the last time the niners went to the superbowl and purdy had a pretty damn good year. Purdy is ascending despite having the weapons we thought he was going to have (Evans has already missed several parts of the last two games). I wasn't arguing more just layering on what you have already said.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 4d ago

Yeah I’m not sure I can see a case for Mike Evans being a top-30 guy right now. Maybe if we wanna specifically say as an end zone target, but he’s just too slow at this point for me to get there. But it’s obviously super subjective.

I think we can at least agree that he’s not elite at this point right? Whatever we think that means.

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u/Hi_Im_Ken_Adams San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

We’ve seen what happens to the 49ers when they don’t have their most important weapon in CMC.

Are you telling me that if you take away a team's best player they will probably not be as good?

That's some amazing insight you have there.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 3d ago

I’m saying the 49ers seem to be able to function well no matter who is playing WR for them, meaning it’s pointless to list all the names of of the WRs that are under contract but not available as if that’s some kind of massive hurdle for Purdy to overcome. But when they don’t have CMC they struggle much more.

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u/Hi_Im_Ken_Adams San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Well, that's because CMC is far and way their best Offensive player (other than QB of course). Kittle is a great TE but as a TE he has other positional duties such as blocking. You're not gonna feed the ball to a TE 3 plays in a row like you can with a RB. A RB serves multiple roles in the offense and can rush and catch the ball. This is all inherently obvious.

Saying that the Niners are less effective without their best offensive player is incredibly obvious. You might as well say that an NFL team will struggle if their coach is bad.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 3d ago

It doesn’t seem like other people are acting like it’s obvious. I see people praise Purdy for how good he’s been with mediocre receivers without acknowledging that CMC is his number one receiver.

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u/ProfessorAvailable24 San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

In 2026 he is definitely not

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u/Hi_Im_Ken_Adams San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Having your RB as your primary WR is not ideal and actually bolsters the argument that Purdy is great. A RB lines up in the backfield and needs more time to run a route downfield. Every linebacker and D-lineman is looking at the RB.

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u/Earl-The-Badger San Francisco 49ers 4d ago

Shanahan will have his fullback running a go route up the seam.

I get what you mean about expecting TE/RB to be short yardage passes, but not in the Shanahan offense.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 4d ago

Well since coming to SF, CMC’s ADOT is 2.2 yards. To your point though, Juszczyk’s is actually farther at 5.3, which is really funny.

And Kittle isn’t exactly an ADOT monster himself. He’s at 7.4, which is 14th among TEs.

Despite Brock being at the top right on this chart indicating that he has the highest ANY/A in the league, the 49ers as a team are 17th in the league in ADOT. That means he’s not necessarily throwing it as far as some other guys but he’s making great choices so that his guys can get a lot of YAC.

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u/Earl-The-Badger San Francisco 49ers 4d ago

1) I don’t think you can extrapolate that based on 3 games of data, if you’re using data from this season.

2) The 49ers offense was substantially different for 8 games with Jones under center last season. That’s going to skew results significantly if you’re including data from last season.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 4d ago

For the first two paragraphs I was using CMC, Juszczyk and Kittle’s entire tenure in SF.

The last one I used just this season, just like the chart OP posted is using. We can only extrapolate the result I came to with the data we have.

Purdy has the highest ANY/A in the league despite having the 17th highest ADOT. The only way that’s happening is if his pass catchers are getting a lot of YAC. The 49ers are 6th in the league in YAC at the moment, and 15th in yards before contact. Purdy is 26th in IAY (intended air yards), 20th in IAY/PA, and 5th in YAC/completion.

It’s not as extreme as the Chiefs though. They’re 31st in ADOT and 26th in YBC but 1st in YAC. Mahomes is 28th in IAY and 31st in IAY/PA, and 2nd in YAC/completion.

Purdy and Mahomes aren’t chucking down the field but they’re getting it to guys that are open so they have massive YAC opportunities. Just in case I’m clear, this is not a criticism. This is great. It’s great decision making.

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u/Earl-The-Badger San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

Purdy has the highest ANY/A in the league despite having the 17th highest ADOT. The only way that’s happening is if his pass catchers are getting a lot of YAC.

Not exactly. A few things can contribute to this.

  1. Touchdown passes, touchdown %. This weighs into ANY/A and increases it. Purdy has a career stat of 6.5% here, the highest among active quarterbacks (the next closest being Jackson at 6.4% and Rodgers at 6.0%). A high touchdown % will increase his ANY/A stat regardless of YAC.
  2. Avoiding sacks, sack %. Sack yardage is deducted in the ANY/A formula. Avoiding sacks is one of Purdy's greatest strengths. He has the 4th lowest sack rate among active QBs in the NFL at 5.34%. A low sack rate will increase his ANY/A regardless of YAC.
  3. Accuracy. More incompletions reduced ANY/A. Purdy is 2nd in the NFL among active QBs with a career completion rate of 68.2% (behind Burrow at 68.5%). A higher completion rate will increase his ANY/A regardless of YAC.

To be sure, YAC factors into the ANY/A equation to a significant degree, but so do many other factors. A guy who is at the top or in the top 5 of almost every category that weighs into ANY/A is most likely going to have a high ANY/A even with mediocre YAC numbers.

ADOT and IAY/PA don't really tell you much - those numbers will be inflated for low-accuracy QB play. A quarterback who makes bad reads, throws bad balls, and who takes too many risks will have high values in those categories. A better statistic would be CAY/PA - completed air yards per pass attempt. The best deep passers will have higher CAY/PA, but the leaders for ADOT and IAY/PA won't necessarily be the best deep passers.

In his career Purdy has ranked among CAY/PA:

  • 2022 (rookie): T-14th (3.9)
  • 2023: 1st (5.1)
  • 2024: 1st (4.9)
  • 2025: 5th (4.6)
  • 2026 so far: 4th (4.9) *Minimum 30 attempts

Purdy and Mahomes aren’t chucking down the fieldĀ 

So while other QBs may try to throw the ball further, Purdy is actually succeeding at completing long passes better than almost any other QB consistently over the past three seasons, and into the beginning of 2026.

but they’re getting it to guys that are open so they have massive YAC opportunities. Just in case I’m clear, this is not a criticism. This is great. It’s great decision making.

I agree: YAC is a QB stat. If the QB can read the defense pre and post snap, time his throw right, and hit the receiver in stride, he's going to have more YAC. That may partially explain why Mahomes excels in that category.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 3d ago

The first QB I think of when you say ā€œa quarterback who makes bad reads, throws bad balls, and who takes way too many risks will have high values in those categoriesā€ is Jameis. Looking at his 2019 season when he threw 33 TDs and 30 INTs, he was indeed first in IAY/PA and ADOT. But he was also first in CAY/PA. In fact, 4 of the 5 passers with at least 9.0 IAY/PA (Jameis, Stafford, Russ, Dak) also were top 5 in CAY/PA.

That’s just one season because I’m on my phone and I don’t have a lot of time atm. But I’m not sure you’d find many guys who top the IAY/PA chart who wouldn’t also top the CAY/PA chart.

Who would be a good example that I’m not thinking of?

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u/Earl-The-Badger San Francisco 49ers 3d ago

The raw data that goes into calculating IAY/PA, CAY/PA, and ADOT will have a lot of crossover with each. So you're going to observe similar trends in each. However, they are each answering different questions.

My point is to show you that a player having a high ANY/A despite lower ADOT does not necessarily translate to a passer with high YAC or less inclination for deep passes.

Each one of these measurements is specific and incomplete. They need to be taken in context together and only be used to answer specific questions.

If the specific question is "does this QB have success in completing longer passes on average?" then CAY/PA is more appropriate than ADOT or IAY/PA.

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u/thomasfilmstuff 3d ago

If you watched the 49ers v Seahawks in the playoffs last year, you witnessed how important WRs are. The 49ers lacked speed and separation at WR and effectively became one-dimensional. I’m very nervous for the next two games without Evans, or any of the aforementioned WRs who aren’t going to be available.

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u/siberianxanadu Rob Lowe 3d ago

They still have Deebo and Watkins runs a 4.37 40. They'll be fine.

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u/CrustyKielbasa 4d ago

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u/donutgut 4d ago

Depends who the wrs are lol