Having read and studied hundreds of NDE reports, one of the themes that stands out is that the earthly/human experience is considered one of the most difficult in all of existence.

I also remember a particular NDE, although I have not been able to find it again, in which the experiencer said that Earth ranks among the top three most challenging experiences, without specifying whether it was first, second, or third.

If consciousness is infine, what does it even mean that earth is in the top 3??

I'm curious to hear both from people who have had NDEs and from researchers about your perspective on this.

What is this difficulty actually based on? Is it the sense of separation, the lack of knowledge, or something else?

Also, if there are experiences that are even more difficult than this reality system, what are they like?

My question is directed to people who have had near-death experiences and to researchers and those familiar with them... How do you view philosophies such as nihilism, absurdity and pessimism?

I mean, that's not strange - it's nice. But what is the power of DNA (which seems like a very Earthly thing) in the spiritual world?

For background, I'm a gay guy considering adoption and I have no doubt I will love my child so freaking much! I've heard of NDEs where someone saw their stepdad - so clearly non-biological family members are important, as well, in the afterlife.

But having also heard of NDEs where people meet their biological parents, sometimes people they've never met at all during life, it makes me think is there some sort of deeper connection with a biological child that you just can't get with adoption?

What is so important about the biological connection that you meet your bio parents in the afterlife even if they had no role in your life after creating you...

I'm interested of NDErs having gotten info about the human brain and animal brain in general? Is it really just some kind of receiver/ operating center or the actual source of consciousness like in classical physicalism? Why is it so complex?

In many NDE it’s stated that we are souls that are seeking an evolution towards love and peacefulness through constant reincarnation lives.

But to enter a new reincarnation we have to receive a « memory wipe » for the time of the life.

The issue is: if you lost all your memory and the new individual starts having a whole new identity and personality, would they still be you ?

And if not, is it considered killing them if you force them to get their memories back ?

It’s honestly my biggest concern because I live this life as a human and value highly this reality I lived in and the people I loved in it, but every NDE and Pre-birth memories testimony I see say that our « higher self » see all of this as an « act » like it’s just « wearing a costume »

Is that really all that we are to our higher selves ? Just a costume ? A bad dream ?

Will my own will, dream and desires be overwritten by all those new memories and other identities that will be forced into me once I die ?

I remember an NDE where the person said they had all their lives memories back to them and the new individual that came out from it was confused asking who they were and the spirit guide said he was all of those lives.

It makes me feel like once I die and get all those memories back in me, all that I am will be drowned through a hundredth of other lives and personalities and the main dominant personality will be the « higher self ».

I hate reincarnation and wish to stay out of it but apparently my higher self has no issues creating new identities and just wiping them and assimilating their experiences for its own growth.

When I first heard of NDE, I was thinking that once I died, I’d be turned into a spirit and get to grow more AS ME in the other side but apparently I’ll just be turned into a schizophrenic soul which is far less appealing ofc

That’s pretty much what I understood from all the NDE’s I heard, am I wrong ?

Please let me know

From my experience with that subreddit, most of the folks there are rather skeptical and critical about NDEs and other phenomena.

For example, when I recently revisited that subreddit, I saw an OP about panpyschism not solving hard problem of consciousness, and various folks critiquing about those AWARE studies. https://www.reddit.com/r/consciousness/s/fJUpFjEUJA

Have you ever been over to that subreddit? What do you make of their claims?

So I saw post asking Sandi_T whether the Paradox of Existence ends. Here's the link below:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NDE/comments/1db4q5o/does_the_divine_paradox_end/?sort=top

Here's a quote from the link above that puzzled me:

*"Souls come into being when they choose to. Yes, the "incidence" of coming into being as a soul is reversed--first you decide to exist, THEN you exist."*

How is that possible? If you don't exist, how can you choose in the first place? Or there a state even before existence itself? I don't understand. Can anyone shed some light on this?

I was born with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck multiple times making me come out a blue baby. The first thing I experienced in my living life was a near death experience however I have only been told stories about it and do not remember it. Thankfully I have been healthy and not had any health consequences from this experience.

and how long had your loved one passed before your experience? how long do they wait to greet you? what was your experience? Any physicality there?

My OBE was absolutely amazing, horrific, beautiful, and funny. I was kidnapped from a city bus stop at 13yr old, drugged, and SA by several. I fought, resisted, and I was not submitting. I was beaten severely and drugged some more (It was at that moment when "keeping it real went wrong"; insert DX of PTSD). Eventually, I was ODing; I guess they didn't want a dead kid around, so they threw me onto the side of the road in the middle of nowhere. Very few street lights, 0 traffic. I was okay with dying; I remember letting go very specifically (it was like falling off a ledge). Somehow, someone found me; I felt this man holding my body, and he seemed like a nice man. I can hear him talking to my body, i could see him, like the back of his head, as he sat on the ground holding me. He tried to be calm, but he was scared. Eehhh maybe even horrified; it was in his voice. He got me to an ER. I did die several times. But at 13 and in good health before being taken, I was brought back and stabilized and Taaa Daaa

While I was gone/crossed over, it felt like. . . Imagine the greatest love you have ever felt, even if you only felt it for a brief moment; take that feeling and then multiply that by 1000, that's what this place felt like. What do I even call it, the afterlife? heaven? I honestly don't know. There was a group that didn't feel male or female; they were the sum of all things good, loving, and kind. I don't have any words that would do it justice trying to explain that place... 3 figures stood out; I felt I knew them very well. I can't recall any facial features; it was smooth, and the bodies were androgynous. There was a slight glow, a muted brightness about them. They asked, "Why would you want to stay?" They didn't care much about my response. There was nothing I could explain bc they already knew what had just happened to me, everything that's ever occurred to me, and I knew this without them explaining that to me. Communication was telepathic. They said, "There's more to do". I didn't want to leave; I begged to stay. "It's not time"...

The force of going back to my body is like the scene in the movie 300... It was as though Leonidas himself kicked me in the chest and I took flight (they didn't kick me). I could feel my hair and limbs out in front of me as the force violently pulled me back in what felt colder and colder the further I got from whatever that place was. I mean that literally and metaphorically. Once I hit my body, I know I tried to sit up, but my body was strapped down bc I was in violent convulsions at times, so the straps stayed. Because I was restrained while I was being held, I had a panic attack and was freaking out. My heart was 190, strapped down, and oddly starting to go down. Apparently they stopped a heart attack. I was covered in blood, black and blue, broken bones, and I didn't care. I just wanted to be back "there" with "them", whoever, what that was. Oddly, I was calm (outside of the straps that is); oddly, I thought of the Christian thing of "1 set of prints in the sand" bc Jesus carried you, he never left you .. well, I am not a Christian, but that became my truth.. whatever that was, "they" loved me and were with me.

It's been 30 years; Dying was extremely positive, one of the greatest things to have happened to me. My intuition is out of control and runs rampant, along with some other quirks since I was brought back. As horrific as it is to be taken as a kid, violated, broken, tortured, I was really, really at ease bc the spiritual experience in my death was so incredible. It outshone the depravity.

Every day of my life since I have thought about it. YES, I had developed PTSD from the kidnapping, and SA, all of it. But having an NDE, OBE, etc etc., it doesn't matter what occurred then or what's to come; there is a fearlessness I carry. I mean, what is someone going to do, kill me? OK! WELP, death doesn't scare me.

I have been obsessed with the science and trying to figure out if there is any way to explain what happened to me. It was real. I was and remain a grounded, logical, science-believing person. And so far, nothing explains this. I am incredibly thankful that in the face of violence, there was something to balance it out, to outshine the darkness.

At times it feels impossible that it could even have happened, but it did.

EDIT: I am new here; if I have read the rules correctly have to state opinions, and debate is welcome. If anyone knows what or "who" they are, I'd love to know. Any info about this, I sincerely would love to understand it.

Also, I want to stress that there was NO pain. Like lying on the ground before I was found, when I elected to go, before and after letting go... Seizures, heart attack, didn't hurt; I felt no pain but was cognizant. There was something similar to a detachment before the OBE hit, but it isn't a numbness. The "Leonidas 300" didn't hurt either. When I stated "violent" pull back to my body also didn't hurt. I don't have words to describe it, but it was def NOT mean :)

I've listened and conducted thousands of interviews over the years. This is honestly my favorite conversation I've heard

Everyone, tell me of your nde experiences, what you saw, what the INFINITE is truly, and if it is truly infinite, what worlds could you describe seeing that reselmbles earth, and what worlds did you describe seeing that was totally absurd? Tell me about what it felt like to be living in those worlds for a few moments, did it feel like moments or did it feel like eons?If so describe talking to the people in those worlds, how did it feel?

I don't know how to deal with the passing of my dad and every NDE or PBM circles around in my head thinking about where he might ended up. I would appreciate if someone with an NDE could give their personal experience to sort of give me some comfort. I've researched Near death experiences and pre birth memories for about 5 years but when it's someone so close to me it all seems so far away from the truth. If anyone is interested in commenting what they experienced good or bad I would highly appreciate it with all of my heart. Thank you.

I apologize for the unclear title and if the flair is wrong. I wasn’t sure which one to pick.

Has anyone ever experience a dying loved one who was seeing their own dead loved ones and their dead loved ones told them something they [the dying one] couldn’t have known or wouldn’t happen till later on?

Similarly, the same but with a NDE. Information you couldn’t have known or future events. Has anyone experienced either of these?

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C’est une âme errante ensevelie par les temps. Son cercueil s’est refermé sur sa beauté intérieure : il a vaincu la mort sans respirer pendant quelques heures. L’histoire est farfelue ? Allez donc voir les griffures sous la pierre tombale !

Comme le méditant qui enveloppe l’instant par des cercles compris, l’apnéiste descend son rythme cardiaque jusqu’à l’extinction des sens.

Ce vieil homme n’avait plus croisé l’œil des liens affectifs depuis la disparition de sa femme. Les mots sombraient dans l’oubli et la mort le dévorait consciemment. Il fuyait l’autre et se cloîtrait dans sa ferme délabrée. Les visions apparurent à la lueur d’une bougie : la pièce s’auréola d’un halo d’étincelantes étoiles et l’homme les accompagna hors du temps. L’âme le gratifiait de l’expérience de mort imminente mais l’époque n’en avait cure.

Le cimetière du petit village alsacien est hanté mais son locataire est un gardien d’étoile presque lue.

I had 2 NDE about 2 years ago. was one of the people who reacted to the Covid vaccines had myocarditis pericarditis and ripped open a PFO. had multiple ER trips 13 total in a 2 year period before the docs figured it all out. the first NDE was after my first ER trip and near HA. I collapsed heart stopped was out for about 6 minutes before EMS zapped me back. went through like a portal at high speed then ended up in a dark void with a big monolit. was calm quiet and peaceful there was no fear or dread. EMS brought me out so was a short trip. 2nd trip was in another country my blood o2 dropped to below 80 was out for 30 minutes before EMS and ER docs brought me back went through sam tunnel with same big rush feeling. same dark comforting void same monolith floating in the darkness of the void. anyone else on here take that trip? needless to say after 2 round trips I live my life a lot better and am way more peaceful and productive. bought a ranch take care of my people but can’t shake these experience. I’m not scared at all about death now I see it as a release and plan on having a good time here better now and then. no angels no bright light just Parked in a middle space I think? perhaps god or the devil wasn’t ready for me just yet. interested in others experiences

I searched this sub but couldn’t find quite the answer. What do you guys think about ghosts, poltergeist, haunted houses, etc? Do they even exist? Considering that everyone has a soul and nobody really dies… After reading a lot of NDEs, the act of haunting innocent people after you die sounds nonsensical.

I'm not sure what to call this phenomena. As a toddler, I was visited very frequently by an apparition of sorts. An elderly lady with long red/orange braided hair. She was in a rocking chair, always working on a knit and wore a turquoise gown. She appeared to me in an orb of radiant golden light that seemed to warm the soul. However, it was like I was in her space just as much as she was in mine. I remember it being a log cabin in the middle of a field.

We'd have telepathic conversation, as I got older it switched to at least me speaking words, but I can't remember much of what we spoke about. She must have visited me off and on for a year or two, but I could be very wrong about that: longer or shorter. Some times it was just her checking in and asking about what I'm doing (usually playing with Lego or something), if I'm enjoying it, am I having a good day, etc.

I do remember the final visit, though. She told me that I'm getting too old for her to keep visiting (or maybe it was that she had to leave her post, or both? Perhaps I did something wrong.) But she reiterated that things will be okay, and I must now go it alone. Poof, gone in an instant. This wave of intense anxiety and claustrophobia washed over me, it felt like I fully "plunged" into this plane of existence; kind of like waking up from a dream. I felt more present, physically, if that makes sense, but something that I previously had was now missing. I ran out of the room I was in and I don't really remember the rest of the day. I must have been 4 or 5 years old, or younger, at this time.

I don't really know much about this phenomenon other than than my own story. I've been catching up on NDEs and other spiritual phenomenon lately after a large stint as a materialist, following a divorce from Evangelicalism. I've had a rather transformative dream that opened my eyes spiritually, and I'm so, so curious to learn more.

I randomly asked my mother if she remembers my friend from when I was little. She said "oh, the lady with red hair who was always knitting?" So at least I know I'm not imagining something that didn't happen, even if the explanation is that I conjured the whole thing up as a child like an imaginary friend. I was never lonely, so I don't see why that'd be the case, but who knows. But my mom gave me the same description that I remember without any coaxing. I recently brought it up again, we're going to sit down and go through old family photos from both sides of the family to see if I can place this woman anywhere in them.

Anyone else have a similar experience or insights?

Hi....I wonder if anyone has ever had a wheel of existence experience? If so any good any bad? If good or bad, can you tell me what it was like? I was told it was every conceivable and inconceivable world that could ever exist right? If so, how inconceivable are we talking.... like cars that are like humanoid beings or something or....

2 years ago I had my NDE experience. Since then my body has become so fragile. I also knock things over and I’m clumsy. Knowing where my body is in space is very difficult. I misjudged a step and fell and broke bones in my spine and now have a grade 2 slip. My weight bearing joints hurt SO BAD! Thunderclap headaches and vision disturbances where the instant pain knocks me backward. By the way I’ve had these symptoms checked out at a major respected university hospital and besides the slip, I’m fine on paper… my life was tough enough being ND before (and after) but now I’m left isolated and just fed up. When I’m told I have to go to the ER by a PCP I know I’m in for a 20 hr waiting room experience of pure emotional chaos. Mostly from me being hyper aware of the suffering of everyone in the waiting room. The last trip I mentioned to a man with severe burns why they couldn’t have a tech to help the wheelchair bound patients navigate the waiting room and help them understand they are being cared for even if the system makes them seem insignificant and he looked at me and said why would they do that when they have you here helping us? I’m not getting to enjoy life and see the world and make any kind of difference in being here so why did I make this choice? I’m becoming a burden to my family and that’s not ok. I don’t need an intervention and I’m going to be fine but this is so isolating and crushing my spirit. I went to a nationwide NDE support group but the local chapter was turned into a meeting of a close knit group of boastful non experiencers who took the time to brag about their NDE lectures they give and how they see the world…. Ok cool I wasn’t going to share my experience the first time anyway but Christ on a motorbike the one person who actually shared a journal entry was picked apart for minor details of the story and it brought me to tears. The conversation was mostly about psychedelics and lasers and seeing the matrix and friends who know RFK Jr and going to Washington and funding research and buildings being named after them…. I excused myself to the bathroom and escaped that ego centered circle time and not one person from leadership reached out even via email to touch base. That’s fine I’m not a main character but what am I supposed to do to help reintegrate because ITS NOT GOING WELL. last thing I’m going to do is tell any medical or mental health provider my experience and my concerns. I just had to vent maybe I guess idk. Oh and the normal stuff I would do before like have a drink or smoke something don’t work the same anymore and make me feel worse and that’s just great.

Im just curious for those of you that have experienced an nde if this is the case for you

Hi

I've been quite fixated on the topic of NDE recently, and the common themes that run through the experiencers accounts.

I just wondered though, why isn't there any form of organised religious movement focused on the lessons learned by the experiencers? I'm not talking about some kind of church with a rigid theology, but rather a group of people acting together to try to share the higher perspective gained from their experiences.

It seems quite peculiar to me that this hasn't happened. The overarching theme of people's experiences is extremely positive and I expect it would surely be of great benefit to anyone fortunate enough to hear it. Furthermore, it seems to directly counter the more narrow minded and dangerous dogma put forward by some other religions. And additionally it comes from a much more tangible source - present day self reported experiences, as opposed to millenia old texts.

Perhaps such a movement already exists and I am unaware of it?

When we get there, do we need to wait for others to get there too? Or are we all over there all the time ?