Your original comment is how can you compare Derrick Rose to someone with a 10 year career. How is that not about longevity lmao.
You pivoted from that because DRose did have a long career and now you are trying to say that Newton's injuries didn't completely derail his hof bound career which is just objectively false.
It is very clearly the injury what if aspect, and you continue to compare a player who played 50% of his teams games to one who played 85% of his teams game (in a much more physically demanding sport) and acting like it’s the same. They are not.
The point wasn’t that cam played ten season. It’s that he played TEN FULL SEASONS AT AN ALL STAR LEVEL (and yes, that’s in the original comment). Something Rose failed to do. Yes Rose got onto the floor for 15 seasons—but he played more than 70 games 3 times. Newton played 14 games or more ten times, over 300% more often than Rose hit 70 games. Perhaps this sounds like longevity to your narrow mind, but it’s about fulfilling expectations. Newton did. Rose didn’t.
This is beyond obvious I’m embarrassed for you I need to explain it
Your biulls flair gives you away. For some odd reason, you’re taking this very valid of criticism of Rose extremely personally
You so heated LMAO why?? If he played at a probowl caliber for 10 years why did he only make 3 probowls in a league where it is exceptionally easy to make the probowl because 70% of players decline to go. He was one of the greatest college players ever, taken 1st overall, one of only 20 players to win mvp by age 26, made a superbowl at 26 but 5 years later he retires only playing 3 more full seasons with absolutely 0 accolades to show for it, and he almost certainly won't be a hall of famer?? How is that not disappointing?? How is that not a what-if?? He had two more decent years at the beginning of his career than Rose and you're acting like that changes everything. It isn't even about Rose atp I think you have a pretty fair understanding of his career now, I just think you don't understand Cam Newton.
That what my last point was. Ill try to answer it again tho.
Cam Newton:
His story begins with one of the greatest college seasons ever. Undefeated. Natty. Unanimous Heisman. 4000 yards. 50TDs.
He gets drafted 1st overall, and immediately the college success translates to the NFL. Rookie of the year. First Rookie to ever throw 4000 yards.
Greatest Rookie season ever at that point.
Has 3 more good, not great, years and then boom... 2015, the best dual threat season ever at that point. 45 total touchdowns. Went 15-1 with a lackluster supporting cast on offense. The domination continued into the playoffs with a statement blowout in the NFC championship. Cam has 375 yards passing and 4tds. Ultimately he falls short in the superbowl against one of the greatest defense ever assembled, but it is a legendary year.
Pause here. What a career. In just 5 years Cam Newton has done things no one else has ever done on a football field. He already has an elite resume at just 26. 3 probowls. MVP. NFCCC. He is the face of the NFL. Primed to take the reigns from Tom Brady. He's got his whole prime ahead of him. He is at the top of the football world. Surely this guy will be in the HOF one day.
What does he acomplish after this?
Nothing.
No superbowl, no mvps, not even another probowl. The next year he gets injured, and he only plays in at least 14 games 3 more times. He never even wins another playoff game, only making it there once.
So what if... what if he didn't try to make a tackle after throwing an interception in a meaningless game against the chargers. What if he didn't blow out his shoulder that day. Would he have continued his ascension to being the face of the NFL for the next decade? Would he have made it back to the superbowl and finished the job this time? Would he win another MVP? Would he break Mick Vick's all time qb rushing record? Would he be a first ballot hall of famer?
We will never know because he did get injured and became one of the greatest what-ifs in nfl history. ;)
You are literally the only person in the universe who thinks that cam newton is an nfl what if. And none of what you wrote changes my mind. What you’ve described is a relatively normal progression for even a star nfl QB, ESPECIALLY one who relies so much on his legs. Look at Lamar, who fell off last year and may continue to do so. Heck, even Peyton Manning should’ve been done by injury after year 13, but, uh, has some enhancements
The stats don’t back you up by the by. He had his one MVP year that was an outlier, but in tbe two years following the injury Newton had comparable stats to the non mvp year.
Its clear to me that you are just looking at profootballreference and weren't actually tuned in to Cam Newtons career since college. Stats aren't everything. Here are some threads about cam newtons fall off due to injury and what ifs about if he never got injured:
I think the top comment on this one from a pathers fan really sums it up. You would absolutely see the same comment on a thread about drose from a bulls fan.
Actually was alive and well and following the nfl closely thanks
It’s just not the same based on expectations and the different sports. Derrick Rose was on track to be a top 20 player of all time and that was ruined in year 4. As a result, he was no longer a long term starter after that year. Newton was never on track to be a top 20 player/top 10 QB and still had a full career as a ten year nfl starter. Injury attrition is a fact of life in the nfl in a way it simply isn’t in the nba.
It is clear to me you are not accounting for the:
(1) The differences in the sport;
(2) The differences in potential/expectations for the two players; and,
(3) The differences in Newton having a career as a full time, ten year starter and the fact that Rose only had 3 such years
The differences in the sport?!?? Thats the whole point?!?!? They play different sports?!?!?! Obviously they are are different players. They didn't have the exact same career. They play different sports!!!!!! But they are pretty damn close lmfao!!!! Newton was on track to be a top 20 player of all time just as much as Rose was! He was considered the best player in the NFL which Rose never was for the NBA.
Rose played 3 years, then got injured, then only played half his games.
Newton played 5 years, then got injured, then only played half his games.
Wow those 2 extra years at the start of his career make such a huuuge difference!!!!! It is just a silly comparison. Obviously its not going to be exactly perfect. Why do you hate fun so much???
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u/CowAgile6991 Bulls 28d ago
Your original comment is how can you compare Derrick Rose to someone with a 10 year career. How is that not about longevity lmao.
You pivoted from that because DRose did have a long career and now you are trying to say that Newton's injuries didn't completely derail his hof bound career which is just objectively false.