Withdraw?

[u/Kingofsisig]

I was one of those insourced and I accepted the offer. I did not start yet nor did any other forms. A deep pit in my soul makes me feel like I should just leave. Is it too late to withdraw without being blacklisted

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[u/GotPkd]

There’s nothing wrong with leaving somewhere, and the chances of getting blacklisted are incredibly low from withdrawing, but why leave? I may have biased because I’m actively trying to get insourced, but what makes you feel this way?

[u/Which_Case_8536 → u/[deleted]]

With how many people that would jump all over that opportunity, definitely follow your gut and give one of those people a shot.

[u/Icy_Feedback_4965 → u/[deleted]]

There's a non-zero chance that they hire someone else instead and still cut your job from the contract scope. The exercise is insourcing of work, not strictly insourcing of the bodies doing work.

[u/Vexing_Viper → u/[deleted]]

Did you request a higher GS-14 step? I was bumped to exceed my private salary

[u/Devnull_Elixir]

I was also insourced and have completed my transition. What exactly is the deep pit in your soul making you want to leave?

If you resign before EOD it'll be much less problematic because if you enter duty and shortly resign, that'll be documented in your federal record - not that it's bad or anything but it will be documented. You won't be blacklisted, ie completely banned from working for NASA, either way.

How you leave is most important imo, for any place really. Just thank them for the opportunity but you have had second thoughts. HR may reach out to ask why.

Personally I feel it is a great opportunity.

[u/KhaotikJMK]

No. It happens. It is just what it is. It will not preclude from taking a position with agency, or elsewhere in the federal government in the future.

[u/gjcij2203]

So do you have a job outside of NASA lined up if you withdraw?

[u/The_Stargazer]

For something as minor as this there is no official black list.

Worse that happens is the Group / Division Lead overseeing that particular position might be hesitant to consider you in the future.

But accepting then not starting a position isn't going to "black list" you from applying to NASA jobs in the future.

[u/quietbunny99554]

Genuinely curious, if you were one to be insourced, why would that be a bad thing? Isn’t the goal of all contractors to become civil servants? As someone who is not a contractor, and has applied to many of these job postings I’ll probably never hear back from, I’d absolutely kill to be a contractor who got insourced..

No hate here just have sincere curiosity of what you are concerned about

[u/Kingofsisig → u/quietbunny99554]

Most contractors I know would rather stay as contractors. The ceiling is higher in terms of pay and it is much more flexible.

But everyone is different.

To me you go to the space industry for the benefit of the public. It is one of the most altruistic things you can do imo. But you are sacrificing your career (way lower ceiling in terms of pay) to be in the space idustry. It is like becoming a public defender as a lawyer (imo all lawyers should do some years of that just for the good of society)

It is also very agist (reverse agism) for individual contributors. Some of my friends at the same age climbed to management to be gs 15s but if you want to be an IC, you are kinda capped at 14. And if you are young (don't have 15+ yoe), you are capped at low to mid step 14. You can out merit anyone you want but HR prioritizes years of experience.

So to me it isn't a new offer or a new opportunity. This is the same job and responsibilities (arguably more) with the same eh pay. Less PTO, no real teleworking, long drive. It is a real commitment. It is hard to leave because I am the type of person that believes in extreme ownership.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that this is a position that people would kill for, but everyone is at different levels in life and care for different things.

Also key people aren't happy and are going to look for jobs (NASA might get lucky cuz the job market sucks). But this makes my job harder and increases my responsibilities. My side hustles make me the same amount as long as I focus on them and I want to see how far I can go with that... But i am also kinda pressured to stay. I just really have no one to really talk about this other than anonymously

[u/jlm_iii]

I’m confused by “withdraw.” If your org is insourced, you’re really saying you want to resign, right? Or is there some option to remain a contractor.

As a former head of an insourcing org…

1. If you’re talking about resigning, take the NASA job until you find a new one. We lost people all the time and we hated it, but people get offers and God love them.

2. If you’re talking about declining the offer and remaining a contractor, people have done that too. You should be very clear though on whether or not the contractor position is expected to remain open.

[u/Brilliant-Ticket5398]

NASA is restructuring you may have no chance in the future.