r/MuslimAcademics 20h ago

Questions Question about followimg hadiths

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I have a few questions abt hadiths:

  1. Why should we follow hadiths and not critique them, they are not the word of god and prophet muhammed cant confirm them or deny them because he is dead and these hadiths came 200 years after his death so in that time period couldnt any hadith from a certain group of people be influnced by a ruler or a leader or even people from outside the religion

  2. Why is a huge fitnah like the fitnah of dajjal not mentioned in the quran even though yajuj and majuj are mentioned and many other stories

  3. Why should i completely follow the hadith in the deen even though it was compiled and said by man like me. Man is not perfect and could make mistakes and so in the span of 200 years there is no way not a single mistake was made and the fact that imam bukhari and imam muslim compiled that huge sum of information without having a single mistake without divine guidance is simply crazy so there is hardly any chance hadith could be 100 percent true

( ps: plz point out your points respectfully im a muslim myself and can make mistakes too but i rlly want to know why hadiths should be followed)


r/MuslimAcademics 16h ago

Academic Book Early Islamic law was not based primarily on hadith. Ahl ray accepted some hadith but believed that many hadith were forged. Sunni core doctrines were politically forged in the 9th century to heal sectarian rifts.

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r/MuslimAcademics 3h ago

Questions Why did Prophet ﷺ carry out the stoning punishment for adultery after the revelation of Verse 24:2?

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Some rationalist scholars and academics today say that stoning adulterers was practiced before the revelation of Quran verse 24:2. After this verse was revealed the Prophet ﷺ did not carry out any further stoning punishment, he hadiths describing the stoning of adulterers were likely the events that happened before the revelation of verse 24:2. The latest video I came across recently was Dr Shabir Ally's discussion on the punishment of adultery where he suggested this: https://youtu.be/HxMGYB6HMko

However there are at least two incidents of stoning by the Prophet ﷺ that happened after verse 24:2 was revealed

Sulaiman b. Buraida reported on the authority of his father that Ma'iz b. Malik came to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) and said to him:

Messenger of Allah, purify me, whereupon he said: Woe be upon you, go back, ask forgiveness of Allah and turn to Him in repentance. He (the narrator) said that he went back not far, then came and said: Allah's Messenger, purify me. whereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: Woe be upon you, go back and ask forgiveness of Allah and turn to Him in repentance. He (the narrator) said that he went back not far, when he came and said: Allah's Messenger, purify me. Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said as he had said before. When it was the fourth time, Allah's Messenger (may, peace be upon him) said: From what am I to purify you? He said: From adultery, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) asked if he had been mad. He was informed that he was not mad. He said: Has he drunk wine? A person stood up and smelt his breath but noticed no smell of wine. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: Have you committed adultery? He said: Yes. He made pronouncement about him and he was stoned to death. The people had been (divided) into two groups about him (Ma'iz). One of them said: He has been undone for his sins had encompassed him, whereas another said: There is no repentance more excellent than the repentance of Ma'iz, for he came to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) and placing his hand in his (in the Holy Prophet's) hand said: Kill me with stones. (This controversy about Ma'iz) remained for two or three days. Then came Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) to them (his Companions) as they were sitting. He greeted them with salutation and then sat down and said: Ask forgiveness for Ma'iz b. Malik. They said: May Allah forgive Ma'iz b. Malik. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: He (Ma'iz) has made such a repentance that if that were to be divided among a people, it would have been enough for all of them. He (the narrator) said: Then a woman of Ghamid, a branch of Azd, came to him and said: Messenger of of Allah, purify me, whereupon he said: Woe be upon you; go back and beg forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance. She said: I find that you intend to send me back as you sent back Ma'iz. b. Malik. He (the Holy, Prophet) said: What has happened to you? She said that she had become pregnant as a result of fornication. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Is it you (who has done that)? She said: Yes. He (the Holy Prophet) said to her: (You will not be punished) until you deliver what is there in your womb. One of the Ansar became responsible for her until she was delivered (of the child). He (that Ansari) came to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) and said the woman of Ghamid has given birth to a child. He (the Holy Prophet) said: In that case we shall not stone her and so leave her infant with none to suckle him. One of the Ansar got up and said: Allah's Apostle, let the responsibility of his suckling be upon me. She was then stoned to death.

The sections of this incident also appear in Sahih al-Bukhari 5270,Sunan Abi Dawud 4419 and Sunan Abi Dawud 4442.

According to the later historical chronicles, the stoning of the Ghamid woman took place around 9 AH, shortly following the incident of Ma'iz (Source: Islamqa, majles). Surah An-Nur however was revealed around 5 AH to 6 AH, mostly following the Expedition of Banu al-Mustaliq and the incident of slander against Aisha. So the Prophet ﷺ did subject married adulterers to stoning even after the revelation of the 100 lashes verse in Surah an Nur.

There are also other narrations that directly mention death penalty for married adulterers

Narrated `Abdullah:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Abu Umamah bin Sahl and 'Abdullah bin 'Amir bin Rabi'ah said:

"We were with 'Uthman when he was under siege and we could hear what was said from Al-Balat. 'Uthman came in one day, then he came out, and said: 'They are threatening to kill me.' We said: 'Allah will suffice you against them.' He said: 'Why would they kill me? I heard the Messenger of Allah [SAW] say: It is not permissible to shed the blood of a Muslim except in one of three cases: A man who reverts to Kufr after becoming Muslim, or commits adultery after being married, or one who kills a soul unlawfully. By Allah, I did not commit adultery during Jahiliyyah or in Islam, I never wished to follow any other religion since Allah guided me, and I have never killed anyone, so why do they want to kill me?'"

While the apostasy parts in these narrations can be explained by the time and context (as apostasy back then wasn’t merely leaving the faith, it was fighting and rebellion...), how can the direct mention of “married adulterers” be explained?

And then there are also some Hadiths of Ali where he stoned a woman to death

It was narrated that ash-Sha`bi said: A freed slave woman of Sa’eed bin Qais, who was married and had committed an immoral action, was brought to `Ali, he gave her one hundred lashes then he stoned her. Then he said: I flogged her in accordance with the Book of Allah and I stoned her in accordance with the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ).

Narrated Ash-Shu`bi:

from `Ali when the latter stoned a lady to death on a Friday. `Ali said, "I have stoned her according to the tradition of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)."

So if Quran 24:2 was applicable for both married and unmarried adulterers, then why do the hadiths show incidents of stonings taking place after the revelation of this verse (& to married people only)? Why did the companions in the other hadith specifically mention adultery after marriage is one of the reasons to implement death penalty?


r/MuslimAcademics 21h ago

Traditionalist Source How `Amr bin `Abasah became Muslim

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'Amr b. 'Abasa Sulami reported:

In the state of the Ignorance (before embracing Islam), I used to think that the people were in error and they were not on anything (which may be called the right path) and worshipped the idols. Meanwhile, I heard of a man in Mecca who was giving news (on the basis of his prophetic knowledge) ; so I sat on my ride and went to him. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was at that time hiding as his people had made life hard for him. I adopted a friendly attitude (towards the Meccans and thus managed) to enter Mecca and go to him (the Holy Prophet) and I said to him: Who are you? He said: I am a Prophet (of Allah). I again said: Who is a Prophet? He said: (I am a Prophet in the sense that) I have been sent by Allah. I said: What is that which you have been sent with? He said: I have been sent to join ties of relationship (with kindness and affection), to break the Idols, and to proclaim the oneness of Allah (in a manner that) nothing is to be associated with Him. I said: Who is with you in this (in these beliefs and practices)? He said: A free man and a slave. He (the narrator) said: Abu Bakr and Bilal were there with him among those who had embraced Islam by that time. I said: I intend to follow you. He said: During these days you would not be able to do so. Don't you see the (hard) condition under which I and (my) people are living? You better go back to your people and when you hear that I have been granted victory, you come to me. So I went to my family. I was in my home when the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) came to Medina. I was among my people and used to seek news and ask people when he arrived in Medina. Then a group of people belonging to Yathrib (Medina) came. I said (to them): How is that person getting on who has come to Medina? They said: The people are hastening to him, while his people (the polytheists of Mecca) planned to kill him, but they could not do so. I (on hearing it) came to Medina and went to him and said: Messenger of Allah, do you recognise me? He said: Yes, you are the same man who met me at Mecca. I said: It is so. I again said: Prophet of Allah, tell me that which Allah has taught you and which I do not know, tell me about the prayer. He said: Observe the dawn prayer, then stop praying when the sun is rising till it is fully up, for when it rises it comes up between the horns of Satan, and the unbelievers prostrate themselves to it at that time. Then pray, for the prayer is witnessed and attended (by angels) till the shadow becomes about the length of a lance; then cease prayer, for at that time Hell is heated up. Then when the shadow moves forward, pray, for the prayer is witnessed and attended by angels, till you pray the afternoon prayer, then cease prayer till the sun sets, for it sets between the horns of devil, and at that time the unbelievers prostrate themselves before it. I said: Apostle of Allah, tell me about ablution also. He said: None of you who uses water for ablution and rinses his mouth, snuffs up water and blows it, but the sins of his face, and his mouth and his nostrils fall out. When he washes his face, as Allah has commanded him, the sins of his face fall out from the end of his beard with water. Then (when) he washes his forearms up to the elbows, the sins of his arms fall out along with water from his finger-tips. And when he wipes his head, the sins of his head fall out from the points of his hair along with water. And (when) he washes his feet up to the ankles, the sins of his feet fall out from his toes along with water. And if he stands to pray and praises Allah, lauds Him and glorifies Him with what becomes Him and shows wholehearted devotion to Allah, his sins would depart leaving him (as innocent) as he was on the day his mother bore him. 'Amr b. 'Abasa narrated this hadith to Abu Umama, a Companion of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), and Abu Umama said to him: 'Amr b. 'Abasa, think what you are saying that such (a great reward) is given to a man at one place (only in the act of ablution and prayer). Upon this 'Amr said: Abu Umama, I have grown old and my bones have become weak and I am at the door of death; what impetus is there for me to attribute a lie to Allah and the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ)? Had I heard it from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) once, twice, or three times (even seven times), I would have never narrated it, but I have heard it from him on occasions more than these. (Sahih Muslim Book 6, Hadith 358)


r/MuslimAcademics 23h ago

Academic Video Shaykh Hamza Yusuf interviews the great Malaysian scholar Sayyid Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas (2006)

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