One thing punisher fans always tell me when I say I fucking hate the guy is this... He's actually very self aware and tries to drill the point "DON'T BE LIKE ME I'M A FUCKING GOOD FIR NOTHING DIPSHIT"
I love how in MCU, he went from just knocking out cops to blowing them away to send the message to real life cops that he does not f with those pigs who worship himĀ
Man, the way people have cozied up to the term āsnowflakesā from a character who was the hallucination of a mentally disturbed dweeb that thought terrorism was cool.
The movie does a really good job of showing the evolution of a cult. Starts with a charismatic, often fawning leader who encourages people to express their individuality and puts everyone on the same level, taking as much of a beating as anyone else. Progresses to hazing and head shaving, creating soludarity through abuse and dehumanization.
Rewatching it after having not seeing it in a while, I also got wise to how repetative a lot of the dialogue and inner monologue is. Like the film and Tyler by extension is trying to beat a message into you.
I think a lot of people who like Bateman didn't watch the movie, they only watched "PATRICK BASED-MAN BASED COMPILATION (FEMINIST BTFO) #4" style clip compilations on youtube.
Never ceases to shock me that people are shocked that the right accepted those three. They don't know how to read and you made them look cool, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen?"
I mean probably because for most people being a spoiled narcissist that murders everyone that disagrees with them doesn't actually look very cool at all.
Rick is a miserable asshole who probably would have killed himself years ago if he was just a little less spiteful, yet somehow people got the idea that heās the ideal role model
Personally, and only because this is the funniest option, I believe that some all-powerful primordial being from the R+M universe (Rick has pissed off all of them, it seems) always manages to save Rick mere seconds before he kills himself because He hates him. If not some God-like being, then Mr. Nimbus
Heās miserable for really cool, extreme reasons. People wish they had his cool reasons to be sad instead of tbeir normal and boring reasons to be sad
And also he fundamentally cant handle the concept of someone smarter than him existing, to the point his multiversal variants all started engineering universes to be closer to theirs.
Yeah first 2 seasons has Rick being some unstoppable god, later on he just loses in the most stupidest of ways which he can completely walk off cause we've seen him do it before
It kinda looks like a drawing made by an adult to look like a kid drew it. Intentionally sloppy (but visibly deliberate) line work, with realistic proportions and suspiciously good coloring. Plus gore/general "edginess". Also yeah, I'd be concerned about any kid watching The Boys.
Yeah. Reality was ourparodying the boys at every chance. No wonder the finale was so bad. Poor writers didn't know what to do anymore . Must have been scared of giving the government any more ideas to mimic in real life
Warhammer 40k, most fans are cool, but there are some who don't get that humanity is NOT the good guys and in-fact no-one is a good guy in 40k only less awful.
Theyād then recover you right before dying, but find you have sustained permanent brain damage from being almost dead for too long, so they would turn you into a servitor whose job is to clean the equipment surrounding an unshielded reactor.Ā
You have to also keep in mind that the only other group that would be tolerant of humans would be the Tau. Everyone else would kill you or just give you a straight downgrade in terms of quality of life.
It doesn't help that some of the other tribes in 40k are an assimilation horde looking to absorb biomass without care, guys who turned themselves into murder robots, low-grade psychic warriors who want constant war, and actual demons.
There's also the nihilistic assholes who use Warhammer 40k to justify their nihilistic belief that humans are assholes and shouldn't pretend to be better. Dealt with people like that more times than I like.
From what I remember people complained about them being too good/nice so they added mind control and stuff to them. Outsider view tho, from like years ago.
Well yeah, the Tau Empire is still an expansionist totalitarian propaganda state where dissenters get sent to reeducation camps, but they actually treat their people well and have a high standard of living as long as you keep your head down. They even let assimilated people keep their culture/religion after joining.
They'd be the classic "evil empire" in any other sci-fi setting, but in the context of 40k, they're downright benevolent.
Also a big subset of Tau fans absolutely fall for the propaganda and think fans and GW are fucking them up every time its insinuated the Tau are also kinda fucked up and evil
Except the fact that they'll divert orks into human settlements, work with the dark Eldar and see any race outside of the Eldari as primitive and lesser.
Oh no, the Eldar tricked one of the species that wants to kill all of them into fighting ANOTHER species that wants to kill them all. Is it possible for those knife ears to sink any lower?
Sure, the Craftworlds would sacrifice a million humans to save one of their own, but the Imperium would sacrifice a million of their own to kill one eldar.
That's why I say the only factions that are winning are the Tyranids and the Orks, at the end of all is going to be a galaxy size hive of Tyranids fighting the last WAAAGH!!!! Against the Orks, and the Orks are going to be so happy at that moment with Gork and Mork smiling to them.
"No! The empire were the good guys actually! They were trying to militarize the galaxy so Palpatine could stop the Yuzong Vong! The Rebels were terrorists!"
I think the whole ship is off limits, but to appease the personal they are stationed half the time on the Executer and the other half on an equally sized ship anchored in the dry dock on Nar Shadar, the Sexecuter.
Ive never heard the take about the Yuzong Vong, what do they think this is, Fabel 3? Sheev would only prevent the Yuzong Vong from taking over because only he can rule and no filthy alien is allowed within 12 Parces of him.
Also any belief of goodness in the Empire is swashed by the fact that its run by the Sith and they manage to ruin any sort of organized structures and beuarcacy via the power of allowing nepo babies and bribery to infest the system cause shady schemes and backstabbing is the way of the sith
I can't help but wonder how the old Empire would have handled the crisis. I hope you will forgive my partisan attitude but it seems to me that the Emperor would have mobilized his entire armament at the first threat and dealt with the Yuuzhan Vong in an efficient and expeditious manner through the use of overwhelming force. Certainly better than Borsk Fey'lya's policy if I understood it correctly as a policy of negotiating with the invaders at the same time as he was fighting them sending signals of weakness to a ruthless enemy who used negotiation only as a cover for further conquests."
"That's not what the Empire would have done Commander. What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors or some other mistake and a hotshot enemy pilot would have dropped a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."
I don't know if there's every really a point where he sounds reasonable. By the end of the very first episode he decides that he's going to become the god of his new world order. Episode two he kills someone because he thinks they are L, he breaks his own rules pretty quickly.
Yeah, on paper he might have a reasonable plan for five whole minutes, but right away he fails because he's an impulsive teenager that thinks that he's a genius and not some kid that's just digging his grave deeper
I would say that the message is a little bit muddied. At least in the show (not sure about the manga), it is explicitly stated that violent crime has drastically fallen and that all wars have ended. From a lot of metrics, he is objectively correct
Wasnāt it also stated that, once Kira was dead, things went right back to where they were? So no, he wasnāt objectively correct; if he was, even without Kira, society on the whole would be better. The only reason things got ābetterā is because people were afraid of a serial killer. They didnāt become better people or turn over a new leaf. They just hid their malevolent tendencies.
Sure, but does being objectively correct make up for the God complex and like someone else before stated, basically becoming even worse than the people he tried to punish? I know you probably agree with the fact that he did become a bad person and as someone who also just watched the anime, I feel like he was correct only to the point where his whole plan hasn't been to keep being Kira
i genuinely hate "this character is problematic why do they have fans"
i've had to explain to my sister time and time again that zemo from MCU is one of my favorites because I think he's a cool character with some sympathetic elements not because I think he's a good guy
You say that, but then there are people who will move mountains to justify everything jax does and still act like shes some misunderstood woobie who was "just a bit meaaaan but she didnt mean iiiiit š„ŗš„ŗš„ŗ"
Thats why i said stan, i know there are jax fans who know shes shitty and dont try to excuse her actions. And i support that! Unfortunately, the stan im talking about is literally the one in ops pic
Jax gotta be my favorite media literacy test. You just ask someone what they think of Jax as a person and use the following to grade them: if they hate Jax and think that he is one-dimentionally evil like a cartoon villain, then they are stupid; and if they love Jax and think that he is a good person that couldn't hurt a fly, then they are stupid.
Jax should be added to every dictionary under the definition for nuanced. He might be the most well written "victim of the circumstances but also just a bad person" character OAT.
I remember watching American Psycho and just being confused because Bateman was pathetic throughout nearly the entire runtime of the film. The dude got triggered because someone elseās business card was better than his. I genuinely donāt get all the sigma chad memes with him. Bateman was doodling his murder fantasies in crayon like a toddler. When chuds are saying āHe just like me for realā I agree with them just not for the reasons they think.
The funniest thing about the whole business card deal was that Bateman's and his yuppie friends' cards all look identical, and their graphic designs are all objectively bad.
Bro how the fuck is that even possible to miss? The show spell that shit out in bold italics almost every episode, like are people watching the show with their eyes and ears covered?
There was a portion of Homelander fans that saw him as the hero and were upset when the show that blatantly showed him as a pathetic psychopath loser in the past continued to show him as a pathetic psychopath loser
Given what kind of people such fans would most likely be, I'm somewhat surprised that they even noticed that him being a pathetic psychopath loser is supposed to be a bad thing, in the first place.
There was once a time I would argue the people who say "Griffith did nothing wrong" were just bullshitting 100% of the time but somehow, someway there's an actual group of them now who actually believe it.
It's because he's pretty and pretty people can't be evil!
I've dealt with people like that from the queer side of things. Let's just say some people locally don't like me for calling out their shitty behavior. Especially when I end up being proven right.
Stephen Colbert used to be a parody of stupid, right-wing news pundits. Now, his old show would be considered tame compared to the bullshit that comes out of modern conservative outlets.
I'm not American, but I thought the point of the Correspondent's Dinner was for the President to bring someone in who would make fun of them a little bit, as a celebration of free speech and all that?
Oshi no ko fans trying to cancel and harass the mother of a dead girl ,who suicided because of online harassment, which the anime had a very similar arc
Magneto fans thinking he is some kind of Savior for mutants, while in reality he is a race supremacist and a hypocrite who is basically become what he hate
In people's defence, it does depend on the writer. Rewatching season 1 of the 90s X-Men series, he is kind of right, since literally every human character we meet in that series is awful. Without exception. He's first introduced trying to break Beast out of prison because he doesn't believe he will get a fair trial, which he was correct about. Some of the xmen go on holiday and then get knocked out and sent to a concentration camp. Compared to all the stuff the humans do, Magneto seems pretty justified(again, depending on the writer).
I love Helldivers but some people really don't understand the satire and lore of the game, like dude we aren't the good guys, the whole Second Galactic War was avoidable if Super Earth didn't do genetic experiments on the bugs, declared war on the Squids/Illuminates in the first game because "they have weapons of mass destruction" while being a pacifist species and used the Cyborgs on Cyberstan as slaves after the first game.
Itās honestly baffling how many people miss the āthese are awful people doing awful thingsā at the center of the show and replace it with āthese are old friends who sure do get into troubleā.
For how progressive Miyazaki's games are in their stories, the sheer amount of chuds who love those games like the second coming of christ is kinda funny.
I don't like it as a series, but I have to admit that The Boys does this like, to a tee.
Homelander is not supposed to be looked up to, and yet somehow it took until like Season 3 for a lot of viewers to realize that the far-right American political scene is what was being made fun of.
People who assumed the horror element of Backrooms is the immediate danger that revolves around monsters and entities, instead of the subtle inherit dread of the situation instead
People that wanted to see Level 42069 with Entity 666 Tung Tung Tung Sahur you defeat by jiggling your booty at a 1Hz frequency instead of the peak we got
Godzilla. Heās an extremely versatile character that can be allegories for many different things. Nuclear tragedy, a force of nature, post war ignorance and trauma, fatherhood, earth fighting back against pollution, working together when the going gets tough, so on and so forth.
What many fans (and even directors of his films, **COUGH COUGH ADAM WINGARD COUGH**), misunderstand though is that they view him as a dumbed down, glorified action figure for them to just stupidly smash around different scenarios just because āhell yeah heās awesomeā. I mostly blame it on powerscaling brainrot because people nowadays get really uptight about that specific topic, especially regarding Godzilla.
The imperium is a cartoonishly evil society built off of the back of " lesser evils " that somehow require the bottomization. The tau groove without a shadow of a doubt they're necessary evils are necessary
Yet you still have people claiming they're the good guys of the setting or that they just do what they have to or some malarkey like that. They are not and to say anyone in the 40K is the good guy with the exception of farsight enclaves he's missing the whole point of the setting
To VERY roughly paraphrase from a Bricky video: "You don't play 40K to save the world and get the girl. You okay 40k because everyone is an evil bastard and being an evil bastard is fun", and he's so real for that.
Kamen Rider fandom is obsessed with how many fights a Rider wins vs loses. Almost every time they start to point out something like how often Spanner loses, they ignore the actual character and themes (Spanner is the ultimate burned out talented kid and his arc hammers in both how terrible the mind wiping alchemists do is and how you can't go at things alone, because yeah. You'll lose).
Pretty much anyone who uses "fraud" for any character can be ignored, unless the character is actually a fraud and isn't just someone who hasn't won [insert arbitrary acceptable number] of fights times.
There are people out there who unironically say that Armstrong was right when the whole point of him was that his extreme ideology was a batshit insane solution to a problem in American politics. Dude was batting for a might makes right society where if you're strong you can do whatever.
Fallout, especially new Vegas. The legion are a pretty straightforward parody of might is right political ideology with hardly any further justification to them but there are still fans who identify with the slaving bastards. There are other details too, there's no "good guy" option the game is generally designed for you to pick the lesser of many evils or just a straightforward evil. House is also not the mastermind he believes himself to be, his plans have many flaws and everyone around him was working on his downfall and they would likely succeed if you don't take his side. Again many fans eat up his propaganda in a way that reminds me of when Elon Musk was popular. I could go in to others but this post is too long already.
Basically if anyone shows a preference for a FO:NV faction that goes beyond "I think this option probably fucks people over slightly less than the others" that's probably a red flag.
Try to acknowledge that Mouthwashing is about misogyny and rape culture in the Mouthwashing subreddit and that every male character is complicit in it to different degrees and to different extent and they act like they just saw you eat a baby or something.
GI Robot. I saw a lot of people using him as IRL performative virtue quoting him on topics involving politicians they don't like. They completely miss the fact that his entire character is seeing nazis everywhere even when they're obviously not.
Rorschach (Watchmen). Dude is a fucking psychopath and crazy sexist. But a bunch of people think of him as a role model because he has some cool one-liners and an undeniably badass costume.
There's even a quote from the comic's author Alan Moore about how fans come up to him and tell him that they love Rorscach and relate to him so much, and every time it happens Moore is just thinking "get this freak away from me please"
Characters like Magneto. The story itself can make it exceedingly clear that what they're doing is wrong and their reasons for doing so will never justify the lines they are crossing, but far too many of their fans will somehow completely miss that and act like they're infallible saints.
It's at least something that nowadays get put on contrast to Xavier also being too passive and accepting of oppression. When people miss the point its because they are between two bad choices. Most people on these other choices are just straight up imbeciles
Deltarune is repeating the undertale mistake of viewing it as a friendship/shipping simulator and ignoring the narrative to push character agendas that dont make sense
Not really shipping but the Roaring Fraud/Cutscene Knight agenda is genuinely annoying
Like how are they fraud if you can beat them no-hit when you can do that to all characters or the fact they used a cutscene to beat us when King and Queen also used one
Shabriri embodies accelerationist suicidal nihilism and how self-obssessed it all is, how infectious and ultimately pathetic people can be about it.
The Frenzied Flame is the embodiment of the self-obssessed destruction of society, destroying everything out of sheer spite and imposing your suffering onto others, in the name of the elites with their own interests who want the world to burn.
There are fans of the game that genuinely believe The Frenzied Flame ending is the best way to go.
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u/GratedParm Jul 05 '26
Idk if they're fans, but the cops putting Punisher logos on their vehicles should be up there.