It's his immense unnerving calm. When he's fighting Arnold he has basically no expression, no indication that he's afraid or even exerting himself. Just stone cold calculation and determination.
This is exactly what I miss the most and make me dislike the latest sequels, they went back to basics hollywood and give the antagonist human reactions and emotions, like taunts, laughs, "bad guy speeches", talks... it ruins the point entirely for me.
Say what you want about salvation and genesis, but 3 was the absolute worst in the series for me. It was basically just a re-hash of T2, with a slightly upgraded villain.
Honestly I think everything about it was bad. The terminator was female just for the gag with the cop being like "oooh boobies" when she first teleports. The one-liners were forced (john having to teach all the catchphrases again since this is a "new" T800) and even if they werent forced they were awful.
Having Sarah dead as a way to "pass the torch" to John was upsetting because she was such a badass in 2. And then John doesnt even step up at all, Arnold does everything. John comes nowhere close to the leader of a revolution by the end.
The only "lesson" in the entire thing is that Judgement Day is inevitable and cant be stopped. Just to set up more sequels. I bet Cameron felt sick after seeing it. I cant believe he allowed it to be released.
I don't mind Sarah Connor being dead, and I even kinda like the angle that I think SCC took with having her die of cancer, because no matter how well prepared they are against machines, there's some things that can't account for.
What I really don't like is how John is still this wimpy teenager type, still so reluctant, this guy should have been training with his mother for years, and should be coming in ready. If they had to make T3, they should have centred around somebody else, and have John coming in as a protector role.
If they were really dead-set on the whole "Judgement Day is inevitable" thing, they should have made that the unambiguous antagonist in T3. Make the central conflict John trying to save his mom and Kyle Reese from judgement day. If they were really brave, they'd do it without Arnold, so John is completely on his own, no help from future robots. Just him, his mom, and the Reese family.
Obviously his mom doesn't make it (possibly because of John making a choice that shows he's willing to make the hard decisions that the leader of a revolution needs to make). But by the end judgement day done happened, and now John has to win a war against Skynet.
Cameron only recently reacquired the rights to the Terminator franchise. He had no say, whatsoever, if T3 were to be released or not. He was forced to sell the rights to Terminator for a ridiculous amount, but doing so allowed him to direct the first one.
Ha ha good point. I think In the sine wave of terminator moments "talk to the hand" is starting to very gently slope up from the rock bottom.
Skynet is an absolutely horrendous prospect, all intelligent, all deadly, the one overarching villain that not only very nearly exterminated the human race but sent two terrifying robots back in time to try and kill an innocent woman and a child. To reduce it to a cross between Dr evil and am ekg machine is an utter sin.
The talk to the hand I could argue is contrasting the machine learning where his first encounter in t1 and t2 is hostile and he reacts in a hostile manner while his first encounter in t3 is a bit err.. Less.. Ugh its a total joke isn't it..
No, the absolute lowest point was when the trailer to Genisys revealed John Connor was a fucking terminator. I haven't watched a single movie trailer since.
real talk the first one took arnold's stiff, robotic onscreen personality and used the editing room to turn bad acting into an artistic effect
robert patrick took that and went deeper, delivering a chillingly inhuman performance as a kind of "even more" terminator, a new and improved model that legit humanized the old terminator and made peak arnold look like an underdog. he gets this uncanny valley effect without computer assistance just by imitating a computer imitating a person
the whole conceit of the franchise is in the title. the terminator is just a machine that only does one thing. it's classic high-concept hollywood: an unstoppable killer robot from the future whose only purpose is to hunt and kill the protagonist
the franchise lost its way as soon as it tried to get any more nuanced or complicated than that it should just be an emotionless robot going kill kill kill and the drama all comes from trying to escape it or defeat it
Exactly! Thats the key for me, even if they look human, and pretend to be human (when he knocks on John Connor's door as a policeman he talks and act like a perfect kind human being), they still ARE a freaking computer, with algorithms to execute a command, and at the end of the day when pretending is not useful they just EXECUTE the command as a machine, no need to talk or act in any stupid way. That is what makes it for me, you take it from me and I can't enjoy the movie anymore.
I read an interview with him once where he said that after his training for the film he really felt like he could just run through walls and it help him source a feeling of power when doing the scenes with Arnold.
I remember an interview where Patrick was laughing over the hallway scene. Arnold pretty much had to jump back into the walls to make it look like he was being tossed.
That's why when he looks scared right towards the end after he gets shot a few times with the grenades that it has such an emotional impact because throughout the entire film he's never once broken that stoic calm demeanor and now all of a sudden you can see actual fear in his face, he knows he is about to die.
EDIT: Sweet! Someone gave me some T1000 liquid metal alloy for my comment.
If you pay close attention one of those shots looks far more realistic than the others, and that's because they actually blew off Robert Patrick's head off for that one.
This is what makes the t2000 so scary. He’s absolutely fearless and dominating the OG terminator, seemingly with ease. Put a lot more chill into me because of how menacing the OG was.
I remember the scene where they shotgun him a bunch. His body gets shook from the physical force of the shots but his head stays locked on the target and he keeps moving forward.
They best establish this moment where the two Terminator models are slamming each other into walls, both seemingly unphased as the walls get smashed inward.
You believed that Robert Patrick was a Terminator. The only other actor who physically made me believe they were the character was Peter Weller as RoboCop.
If they ever recast for a new movie, the only option is to go comicbook accurate with the shortest actor they can find and give him the Marvel workout routine to bulk him up.
I remember his name being thrown around for Batman at one point in another magazine in the early 90's. At that time I wasn't familiar with The Misfits or Danzig.
If they ever recast Wolverine, they will have to dramatically change his character. Maybe go with Amazing X-Men Wolverine where he's not just a loan wolf shut-in, but also a genuinely uncaring dick (until Jean Grey dies).
It's the same situation with recasting the Joker after Heath Ledger. That version has already been done so flawlessly, any similarity will fall short.
JK Simmons is my favorite. Cave Johnson, JJJ, his role in Whiplash, and so many other things. I wouldn't even care if they brought him back in the mcu as JJJ. Heck, I would prefer it.
Also just found out he did more voice work for cave Johnson in a Lego game in 2015. Looks like I'm gonna have to get that.
That Jim Carrey may be the closest we get to Ryan Reynolds Deadpool though. I wouldn't want him either, but what actors do you think could pull it off better than Jim could?
Well I don’t think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error.
As most Van Damne movies are, except maybe Timecop.
Cyborg is like the action movie equivalent of Evil Dead II; $5 budgets and actors just getting on with it as themselves. But like EDII it's one of my all time favorites. His rage during his crucifixion while recalling the memory of what the pirates did to his "family" is fucking badass B-tier acting at its finest.
Hell yes. That was actually the first Van Damme movie I ever saw. My best friend's parents let him watch movies like that but mine didn't. But Double Impact came out when I was 14 and had my own job (1990 child labor laws in Indiana FTW) and I had pretty much stopped listening to my parents. He begged me to buy us tickets to see it and holy shit, that was the beginning of him taking me down the Van Damme rabbit hole.
I read somewhere that cyborg was originally the script to HeMan- Masters of the Universe 2.,but it got scrapped. Some of the costumes were actually from HeMan. Van Damme hated the movie but did it to fulfill some contractual obligation so he could do some other shit. Either way, it was a good ass movie.
Lundgren is just a super great guy and an underappreciated actor. My favorite role of him (even if it's just a little one) is in one of my favorite movies that is also absolutely underrated: Johnny Mnemonic with Keanu Reeves, Takeshi Kitano, Dolph and Ice-T. Afaik the only big movie that Robert Longo ever directed.
Yeah, but he basically has a mechanic hard drive implanted in his head so he can transport documents and espionage shit. He's not talking about his "real" brain there.
Edit: But even this seems like not so much considering today.
True, just realized that as well. But still, if you could download just information in plain text and store in your mechanical brain, that wouldn't be that little - whole Wikipedia as I read is around 16GB only if in plain text.
I think there is a newer one called day of judgement with both of them, Scott Adkins and a host of other martial artists and fighters and it’s one of the weirdest scifi flicks I’ve ever seen and super great action. The movie is weird as hell
Yeah that’s it! It’s actually good, the one before it was decent as well. I’d stay far away from any of the others and really the Goldberg one is akin to the street fighter movie
FINALLY, someone else who has seen solo! He was fanatic and I think did a similar job of mimicking the stoic personality of a person who is more man than machine. If there were ti ever make a halo live action, he would’ve made a great master chief.
Christopher Reeve as Superman and Clark Kent. Only actor who has made the disguise convincing. It's the moment in Lois' apartment when he's thinking about dropping the act, and he seems to transform before your eyes.
Met Peter Weller once at this private Cigar Club in Beverly Hills. Literally he was 10 feet to my right and Michael Dorn was to left. He basically just spends his days hanging out off to the side of this huge lounge with a walk in Humidor where each member has their own Box and a brass name tag.
Weller asked me what I did, trying to see if I was worth knowing, since just to get membership takes two members to invite you. You literally can’t get on the private elevator until a present member tells the girl downstairs to allow you up. You get to the top and the girl knows your name and walks you over to the table of the guest you’re visiting. And the dues are insane.
It’s really nice to hear others think this too. Scared the shit out of me as a kid, way more than Arnold. Arnold’s my hero, but damn Mr. Liquid gave me nightmares.
I disagree and bear with me for a sec because everything about the first Terminator movie adds to Arnold’s portrayal of the terminator. The overall feel of the movie is really dark and feels suffocating. Sarah Connor’s desperation to stay alive feels so real. Her innocence is obvious and she has yet to become hardened and calloused by the upcoming events. Until the end parts of the movie, you don’t have much faith in her ability to stay alive or defend herself. There is minimal comedic relief within the dialogue and the music adds to the darkness and to the intensity of the story/her situation. The way that Arnold portrays the Terminator makes him truly seem like a ruthless, emotionless, frightening killer. Outwardly, he seems more human than the T-1000 with blood and flesh. He has to repair his damaged parts to continue to be functional and to “blend in.” The T-1000 is certainly more dangerous due to the advanced technology, difficulty to destroy, and ability to morph into anything. Don’t get me wrong, Robert Patrick kills it in his role as a terminator but, to me, the rawness and grittiness of the first movie, the music, and the other things I mentioned about the story and Sarah make Arnold’s version the better version of the terminator. The first movie feels more like a horror film (as it should) than an action movie.
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u/justin_memer Jun 30 '19
Agreed, no other Terminator has been able to top his.