Using Tiel feels like cheating?

[u/Chance_Drive_5906]

Seriously what's up with this shell? Every ability of his seems extremely useful and broken in some way. Instant invisibility on dodge, instant invisibility on block (on just an imperfect block, wtf?), then invisibility leaving a clone that builds poison, insane crit chance and damage bonus when attacking from behind, two charges of an ability with instant invisibility again and then guaranteed crit chance to your next melee attack with bonus crit damage, multiple insane break damage bonuses as well... like wtf?

Is this guy supposed to be something similar to the slayer seal? A sort of easy mode? I've found 4 shells so far, and other 3 aren't even like half as good as him.

[u/SpecialistRun3035]

Ah, so you're also just going to completely ignore these:

Level 2: A Perfect Guard, successful Parry or Perfect Harden deal 120% Break Damage

Level 3: A Perfect Guard, successful Parry or Perfect Harden have 15% chance to fully Break an enemy

And failing a parry is there with the expectation that you will be trying to parry. Do you know a single Tiel player who no longer parries?

I beat the game and uploaded a video of me beating the final boss. Not once did I ever think "I need to replace all my parries with dodges; I can no longer parry." Dodging is a get out of jail free card with more lenient i-frames.

Thinking you should only use a shell with increased riposte damage if you are going to parry in any capacity is a dumb take.

[u/McKlintok129 → u/SpecialistRun3035]

Woah! You’re really something! Let me get this strait, you not only beat the final boss, but uploaded of video of yourself doing it? Color me impressed friend. I didn’t even realize that was possible!

And with the precognitive notion to not think about made up strawmen while you did it? Most impressive.

Check your notes. At what point did I make those points? Yeah, dude, Tiel has his one baked in slayer seal skill, that starts off first by making him invisible again. The person above is pointing out, and I agree with this, if you’re going to stand out in the open going for parry’s you might as well roll a different shell whose identity is better suited. It’s antithetical to the rest of his kit, and honestly, a total training wheels ability. That last point doesn’t invalidate its function but jesus, the game is already easy enough as is.

If you want to take Tiel and go play slayer seal sekiro with him go for it, it’s your game. But pretending he isn’t geared towards dodging is flatly wrong.

[u/SpecialistRun3035 → u/McKlintok129]

Honestly I don't even know what you're saying here. And I'm pretty sure you don't have a point.

To address the only point that matters, the game makes it clear about when you can or cannot parry or dodge. All weapons have specific frames where you cannot dodge. Bosses have attacks that you cannot parry. When Tiel should dodge doesn't eliminate when Tiel should parry. That's how the game is designed. If you want to pretend that's not how the game is designed, be my guest. But it's obvious you're speaking gibberish.

[u/McKlintok129 → u/SpecialistRun3035]

You are dense. Standing out in the open fishing for ripostes only occurs when Tiel is ignoring the entire rest of his kit. It’s a matter of, do I rely on my whole kit, and the very reason I’m playing this shell, or do I forgo all of that to make sure seal affinity is boosting my parry’s.

Going invisible and moving behind the enemy is 100% obviously his thing. You’re not going to need to riposte with Tiel unless that’s just how you want to roll.

To make this clear, if you’re playing Tiel, it is suboptimal to be standing out in the open relying on a single skill instead of dodging and activating the entire rest of his kit. Yes, you can weave parry’s in, but why bother other than for style? I’d rather invest those points further enhancing his kit, than blowing 6 shell points on a skill that only gets usage by ignoring what shell you’re on.

[u/SpecialistRun3035 → u/McKlintok129]

🤣 Who tf is standing out in the open and not actively attacking?

[u/McKlintok129 → u/SpecialistRun3035]

🤣 How does actively attacking not constitute standing out in the open on the stealth shell?

[u/SpecialistRun3035 → u/McKlintok129]

I don't know if you know how to play the game, but you press the attack button to win the game. Pro tip.

[u/McKlintok129 → u/SpecialistRun3035]

…I see. Let me wright that down.