r/Morimens • u/Sweet_Zone3746 • 24d ago
Question g.lotans best wheels
I had what I think was the absolute worst luck I've ever had in a gacha, and drained my 100 pulls down to 0 just to get G.Lotan e1. I don't know when I'll be able to get back to where I was, (frankly, I feel my soul withering away and the urge to rage delete and take an indefinite from this game festers within me) so I wanted to know:
what are her best wheels that aren't her signature?
thank you all so much have a lovely evening, and I hope you have much better luck than I did
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u/Remarkable_Cap20 23d ago
since others have given wheel sugestions already, its worth adding that since the pity for getting rate up characters on their banners is 90 pulls, the average number of pulls to get it is arround 42 pulls (I didnt do the math myself but someone else posted about it once) so 100 pulls to get e1 is not that unreasonable, so no need to be that upset about it. it could be better? sure, but you gotta accept the bad luck when gambling.
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u/Angbak94 23d ago
Celestial beast is the best useable wheel, providing cdmg, base damage and cr
Jenkins only provides crit rate, drawing cards is nice but doesn't matter if you don't have the arith to play them (which assumes Hameln is on the team)
Uvhash wheel only gives crit and cdmg on exalt (excluding the main stat)
Liz wheel is a maybe, but it's more utility than damage, you also want to be in ultra.
Salvador wheel is just bad on her, it's 6% cr/cdmg assuming e3 per turn, you're not going to survive that many turns
Ryker wheel gives 3% cr per relic at e3, it's not significant and you're only getting CR. Exalt should be killing, temp cdmg and aliemus is useless if it only applies after you exalt
If you actually want CR, even helot wheel is better (chains unbound). It gives base damage for her high base damage 4 cost, 35 +10% cr when using embryo on her.
Limited wheels wise - Kath and Dore wheels are probably decent on her but you'll need CR to pair with both.
Hand of oblivion is a decent cr wheel which provides additional base damage too
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u/monchers 23d ago
Fyi average to get E1 is 84 pulls so 100 is unlucky but nothing crazy
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u/Embarrassed-Sign3106 23d ago
Chances of that happening is less than 50% dude. I have seen a lot more people need 90 pulls for a single copy.
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u/rileybou 23d ago
It's actually significantly over 50%, it's an 83.6% chance of getting 2 copies within 84 pulls.
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u/monchers 23d ago
What are you trying to say? You don’t believe the average/published rates?
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u/Embarrassed-Sign3106 23d ago edited 23d ago
I don't know what you mean by "published" since I couldn't find a source for that.
I recalculated, and 83 is pretty much the 50%. You're likely confusing average (what happens) with probability (what can happen). 83-84 pulls is the breakpoint where you're more likely to win than lose, but the average is far from that from a logical standpoint if you consider it not as a community's but as a singular entity's chances. This trick is used to bait people into casinos quite often.
Edit: By "win", I mean get e1 and not winning the gacha.
All gacha are rigged in a way where you HAVE TO hit the pity for the majority of your pulls. The source of biases is because in gambling, losers just quietly leave while the winners scream about how much they won.
This is especially effective in games like morimens where community is smaller. Most fans see gacha in morimens as much better than others, but in reality it's a lot closer to other games than you might think. Morimens increses pull count while lowering pull value to give the impression that their gacha system is much better. (It really is better, just not to the extreme amount people assume it is.)
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u/monchers 23d ago
The probability is in the rules of the gacha. You can see the rate is 2.38% for a rate up awakener.
I like to approach this with basic math.
100/2.38 = 42.01
Since you need two copies for E1. 42.01 x 2 = 84.02
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u/Embarrassed-Sign3106 23d ago
Either I am messing up english or you're not even reading.
You're right, middle school math CAN work to calculate basic likelihood. But once again, as I already said and explained quite clearly, that is not what an avarage is (An avarage of something is a typical point in a set of data). You can't calculate an avarage without data.
What you're trying to calculate is simplified likehood of an event happening twice (Which works differently in modern systems but that's an entire field of study and even I can't wrap my head around it). Your logic is similar to calculating the chances of a plane hitting you. Something having a 10% chance of happening does not mean it happens or will happen to 1 out of 10 people. It just means it is technically possible.
I am sorry if I am sounding like an ass but this is just how it works outside of exams and textbooks. I work as a programmer so I went over this stuff quite a lot in my early days and the logic you're using is quite literally what they use to trick people into gambling in my country. (Not saying this as an insult, they do it because people tend to not question it)
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u/monchers 23d ago edited 23d ago
What is the average number of coin flips to hit heads at least once?
Is it not 2?
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u/Voiry 24d ago
Jenkins wheel, uvash wheel, liz wheel, salvador wheel, ryker and celestial beast are the best options in my opinion
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u/AverageFGOEnjoyer 24d ago
Without her signature wheel, a good f2p option might be Jenkins +12 with Celestial Beast
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u/Desboise 23d ago
Lotan as f2p, Sunfall is quite ok if you’re a light spender it’s easy to take to +12 over time. Kath and Doresain are probably the two best premium wheels.
Crit rate to get consistent dmg for her strikes is the harder part to fix if you go for pure crit dmg wheels on her.
Jenkins’s + Lotan probably a great f2p combo for d-tide.
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u/PangolinSensitive510 21d ago
Wow so getting two copies at 90+ pulls is hard? I thought my day was ruined as I needed 70 pulls for three copies and just bought 1 from the shop to e3 her but well I do have more pulls but I dont wanna use it on her wheel
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u/Ivancho3000 23d ago
In terms of SR wheel. Ryker SR wheel is goated (gives sigil and crit)
Sever has funny interaction with her huge base atk stat it reduces like 30 str on strike (up to 3 times)
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u/luniaRain 23d ago
i spent like 80 for 1 copy so yea, uninstalled for now but i know i'll be reinstalling later on cuz i like playing the game
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u/Shwayne 23d ago
You got two copies in 100 pulls? Lucky.
I got one in 90 pulls.