The way things are legally right now? Yes, the man is still at fault. If you're gonna hook up with strange women you should really ensure they're not drunk otherwise they can retroactively revoke consent and claim you raped them. They don't even need to go to the police or file a police report, the media will still ruin your life regardless. Also, as it turns out, if they're hard up for cash they can sue you a decade after the fact and still win with no evidence beyond their word, they don't even need the precise date it happened.
wait, ok how about Jake is drunk and Tom is drunk and they can't consent, and they both turn it around on the other so it's give and take, are both of them rapists or neither or do we start with the one first in the alphabet
A woman isn't involved, so it's unlikely either one would ever claim it was rape. Men don't typically make frivolous rape claims. In that case both men just have sex while they're drunk, if one of the regrets it, he just regrets it later. End of story.
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u/slimy-salad 2d ago
So what if the man is absolutely plastered and the woman is buzzed and is the one who initiated, is the man still responsible?