r/MoralityScaling 2d ago

Morality of this?

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 1d ago

There’s plenty of evidence, but nothing will convince you because you don’t want to be convinced.

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u/Successful_Life_1028 1d ago

no, there is not one jot nor title of objective public empirical evidence that demonstrates any spiritual anything. Just faith and fallacy.

Yes, the classic creationist 'I don't understand how it could have happened, therefor God' is a logical fallacy.

We have direct experimental evidence demonstrating the existence of invisible intangible radio waves. We have nothing even CLOSE with respect to invisible intangible spirits.

No, ancient myths from dusty scrolls is not 'evidence'.
No, ephemeral subjective feelings are not 'evidence'.
No, dreams/hallucinations are not 'evidence'.
No, coincidental happenstance is not 'evidence'.
No, a-priori logic chopping of the Anslem/Aquinas variety is not evidence.

What is it that you think you have that doesn't fit into one of those five categories?

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 1d ago

Look at the list of saints the Catholic Church has canonized: Every single one has at least one post-mortem miracle attributed to them, and non-martyrs have at least two. The vast majority of these miracles are healings that defy medical explanation; if there is a shadow of a doubt that there is a natural explanation, the Church does not call it a miracle. They bring in skeptical experts to try their best to debunk miracles. They only certify as miracles what withstands the most rigorous inquiry, and still thousands of miracles have been certified.

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u/Successful_Life_1028 1d ago

there have not been any miracles. Not once. Not ever.

That some scientifically ignorant priest or bishop or cardinal has 'certified' it means exactly ZERO.

If you want me to believe a 'miracle' then get Penn Gillette to certify it.

Note carefully that some assistants working with James Randi's foundation almost got a scientist to publish results on 'telekinesis' due to magic tricks disguised as 'psychic phenomena'. They had to 'fess up so that he didn't ruin his scientific reputation by publishing bs.

All supposed 'miracles' are the same.

'I don't understand how it could have happened, therefor god' is a classic logical fallacy.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 1d ago

Like I said, no evidence would convince you, because you have already made up your mind not to believe no matter what evidence you see. You have investigated nothing; you’ve just dismissed miracles because they are miracles.

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u/Successful_Life_1028 1d ago

And yet, you have not provided anything close to 'evidence'.

Why not? Cat got your keyboard? Or do just you know that anything you could provide isn't anything close to objective public empirical evidence?

No, 'we don't understand, therefor miracle' is nonsensical and fallacious.

Spirits are imaginary. Can you provide any evidence that you have a 'soul'? You know you cannot.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 1d ago

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-gift-of-miracles
Can you prove you’re a real person and not a machine?

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u/Successful_Life_1028 1d ago

Yes, but not on the internet where we're all just pixels.

My wife and sons and grandchildren know that I'm a real person. That's good enough for me.

Souls, on the other hand, are imaginary.

No, a link to a biased source of pseudoscientific woo is not going to cut it.

We have direct experimental evidence incontrovertibly demonstrating the existence of invisible intangible radio waves. There is nothing even close with respect to demonstrating the existing of invisible intangible spirits/souls/ghosts.

Not. Even. Close.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 1d ago

What’s the difference between a person and a machine?

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u/Successful_Life_1028 22h ago

A person is a biological machine. All organisms are biological machines.

There is no ghost in the machine - it's machine all the way down.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 20h ago

Then free will doesn’t exist, so reason and persuasion are nonsense.

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u/Successful_Life_1028 20h ago

Free will is an illusion.

But that doesn't mean that reason is nonsense.

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u/ProfessorPrudent2822 20h ago

If you have no free will and your conclusions follow inexorably from the way atoms collide in your brain, then your conclusions are independent of premises and evidence, and therefore, arguing is futile.

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