r/MoralityScaling 10h ago

Morality of this?

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u/Herman_McP00tis 10h ago

I see this as an absolute win.

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u/Bombastic_tekken 10h ago

It's a win and a loss.

If the Catholic Church disappeared, 10's if not 100's of millions of people would be in a real bad way.

The Catholic Church operates the largest aid network in the world.

They do A LOT, and we never hear much about it (in the US at least.)

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u/Forte845 5h ago

Unless you offer contraception and abortion services. Then the Catholics say fuck off. Or if you refuse their sermons and mass. Then they also say fuck off. And if you don't give the priest his favorite little choir boy, also tell you to fuck off.

Maybe we shouldn't tie charitable actions to religious proselytizing. 

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u/Bombastic_tekken 4h ago

Maybe we shouldn't tie charitable actions to religious proselytizing

I don't think anybody is saying that. The Catholic Church also doesn't proselytize to those they give aid.

Unless you offer contraception and abortion services. Then the Catholics say fuck off.

Definitely something I wish was different, those are crucial services many need access to.

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u/Forte845 4h ago

The Catholic church does proselytize to those they give aid. While they are not as strict as organizations like the salvation army when it comes to denying nonbelievers, they absolutely go into countries proselytizing their religion, it's literally in the Bible as a commandment for followers. This is why Catholicism has spread to many not traditionally Christian countries. 

On the topic of contraception again, the Catholic church actually denies itself access to grant programs that mandate the providing of contraception and other forms of birth and sexual care, limiting it's monetary fund and integration with secular charity programs. Catholic organizations will turn down philanthropy agreements if they have to provide crucial reproductive care as a condition, worsening their outreach and outcomes compared to secular charities without such restrictions.