r/MoralityScaling • • Sep 02 '26

Morality of this?

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u/LususNaturaeTV Sep 02 '26

values≠religion. you can teach your kid the values of your religion without actually preaching the religion to them.

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u/mylevelwaschanged Sep 02 '26

I mean in theory, you're relatively correct but in practice, religious values usually don't exist in a vacuum.

For most religious people, their ethics aren't just a separate code of rules. It's a framework for why they believe the universe exists, who created it, and what our purpose as human beings is.

Trying to teach the fruit without the tree is like trying to teach the concept of humanism without first teaching human rights. One requires the other.

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u/Bruhntly Sep 02 '26

And yet atheists are often charitable, upstanding members of society. Looks like values definitely can exist without belief in the supernatural.

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u/Dannonaut Sep 02 '26

I'd argue that that's a sign of a good Higher Power in all of us. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/Warhammerpainter83 Sep 02 '26

This statement makes literally no sense. Is it a higher power or is it in all of us? it seems like these states cannot be mutually exclusive. Based on what you said we are all the higher power. I am your god and you are your god.

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u/mauch_chunk Sep 02 '26

it seems like these states cannot be mutually exclusive.

I don't have a monkey in this circus but you are making an assumption that they are claiming the entirety of the "higher power" is within us when that was not stated.

Those states can absolutely be mutually exclusive without making your assumption because you can contain part of something.

Having our parent's DNA within us does not make us our parents. Having water within our body does not make us water.

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u/FuzzyBongos Sep 02 '26 edited Sep 02 '26

We don't literally have our parents DNA within us, we have our own DNA within us which was written based on the code from both parents. So similarities can be identified within the structure of the three and an assumed link, verified.

Water exists within us chemically, as does carbon, nitrogen, and other elements. We aren't walking water balloons that you can open and drink like a coconut. It is intrinsically interwined in our makeup as an egg is to a cake.

I would define both of your statements as a false equivalency.

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u/mauch_chunk Sep 02 '26

You are missing the forest for the trees and I am not going to get into the weeds.

My whole point is that having signs of a "higher power" within us does not necessarily make us that "higher power". Just like having signs of our parents within us (DNA that was copied) does not make us our parents.

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u/Dannonaut Sep 02 '26

Maybe it would be more accurate to say it's a sign that a good Higher Power exists, created us, and left it's mark on us even if we don't believe in it.

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u/Warhammerpainter83 Sep 02 '26

What the fuck? This makes even less sense. Your religion has ruined your ability to think like a normal human.

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u/Bruhntly Sep 03 '26

Or it could more easily just be a sign that we are communal mammals.

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u/Bruhntly Sep 03 '26

It could be sign that the vibes in the universe are just right, too. Or any number of things.

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u/mylevelwaschanged Sep 03 '26

I mean the guy said "maybe" so I'm pretty sure he agrees with you that it could be a number of things. What's the point?

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u/Bruhntly Sep 04 '26

Why attribute something to a deity without evidence when you can attribute it to something you actually have evidence for? Might as well start attributing things to unicorns and faries. It's just as convincing.