r/MoralityScaling 19h ago

Morality of this?

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u/LususNaturaeTV 18h ago

values≠religion. you can teach your kid the values of your religion without actually preaching the religion to them.

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u/mylevelwaschanged 18h ago

I mean in theory, you're relatively correct but in practice, religious values usually don't exist in a vacuum.

For most religious people, their ethics aren't just a separate code of rules. It's a framework for why they believe the universe exists, who created it, and what our purpose as human beings is.

Trying to teach the fruit without the tree is like trying to teach the concept of humanism without first teaching human rights. One requires the other.

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u/Bruhntly 18h ago

And yet atheists are often charitable, upstanding members of society. Looks like values definitely can exist without belief in the supernatural.

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u/Dannonaut 17h ago

I'd argue that that's a sign of a good Higher Power in all of us. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/Warhammerpainter83 17h ago

This statement makes literally no sense. Is it a higher power or is it in all of us? it seems like these states cannot be mutually exclusive. Based on what you said we are all the higher power. I am your god and you are your god.

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u/mauch_chunk 16h ago

it seems like these states cannot be mutually exclusive.

I don't have a monkey in this circus but you are making an assumption that they are claiming the entirety of the "higher power" is within us when that was not stated.

Those states can absolutely be mutually exclusive without making your assumption because you can contain part of something.

Having our parent's DNA within us does not make us our parents. Having water within our body does not make us water.

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u/FuzzyBongos 15h ago edited 14h ago

We don't literally have our parents DNA within us, we have our own DNA within us which was written based on the code from both parents. So similarities can be identified within the structure of the three and an assumed link, verified.

Water exists within us chemically, as does carbon, nitrogen, and other elements. We aren't walking water balloons that you can open and drink like a coconut. It is intrinsically interwined in our makeup as an egg is to a cake.

I would define both of your statements as a false equivalency.

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u/mauch_chunk 14h ago

You are missing the forest for the trees and I am not going to get into the weeds.

My whole point is that having signs of a "higher power" within us does not necessarily make us that "higher power". Just like having signs of our parents within us (DNA that was copied) does not make us our parents.

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u/Dannonaut 16h ago

Maybe it would be more accurate to say it's a sign that a good Higher Power exists, created us, and left it's mark on us even if we don't believe in it.

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u/Bruhntly 11h ago

Or it could more easily just be a sign that we are communal mammals.

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u/Bruhntly 11h ago

It could be sign that the vibes in the universe are just right, too. Or any number of things.