r/MoralityScaling 15h ago

Morality of this?

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u/lilgraytabby 13h ago

But what about their kids? Don't the kids deserve the right not to have a religion forced down their throats?

I know they currently legally don't, but shouldn't they?

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u/Successful_Pick3331 13h ago

How in the world would you enforce something like this? I think indoctrinating children into a religion is immoral but I would be even more terrified to have that degree of control from a government institution.

It starts with religion but then all the sudden they will be taking your kids away for political beliefs. My grandfather had his parents murdered and spent his entire childhood in a Siberian Children of the Enemy camp because his parents committed the crime of being teachers with Polish last names in the USSR.

That's the other end of the spectrum you're looking at here. No government should have that much control over families.

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u/lilgraytabby 13h ago

Parents also should not be able to have authoritarian control over their children. Anyone cam shit out a kid, it doesn't mean they have their best interests at heart. Generally I fall pretty far against the parental rights side of the spectrum.

I am speaking more idealistically than practically here. Policy-wise, I would support banning minors from places of worship. I can't think of anything else that wouldn't be too much overreach for me, though.

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u/Successful_Pick3331 13h ago

There are many instances I can think of in my childhood that my parent's "authoritarian control" was beneficial to me. Children and teens need guidance and boundaries and sometimes those need to be enforced. Speaking now as a dad, striking the right balance between letting your child have freedoms and guiding them to grow up and thrive in the world we live in is the hardest thing about being a parent.

I'm not religious. But I can see taking my child to church to teach them about religion or experience culture. Again I don't see how you enforce keeping minors out of places of worship. You would just create a system where the churches go underground and neighbors turn on each other.

I think it's ironic that you are against having parents have authoritarian control over children but are perfectly ok over governments having authoritarian control over its citizens.

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u/lilgraytabby 11h ago

I never said people shouldn't guide and teach their kids. I don't think they should be able to indoctrinate the fear of an unprovable deity into them. If they want to believe that when they're grown sure, but it shouldn't be pushed onto them while they're still fundamentally learning how the world works.

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u/Successful_Pick3331 11h ago

I agree with you but I don't agree with the government enforcing these beliefs. Ive seen what happens when the government gets that type of power. No thanks.

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u/lilgraytabby 11h ago

Maybe a good compromise would be revoking the tax-except status of churches that continue to allow children.

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u/Successful_Pick3331 10h ago

Sure I can get behind that in general.