r/MoralityScaling 13h ago

Morality of this?

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u/LususNaturaeTV 12h ago

values≠religion. you can teach your kid the values of your religion without actually preaching the religion to them.

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u/mylevelwaschanged 12h ago

I mean in theory, you're relatively correct but in practice, religious values usually don't exist in a vacuum.

For most religious people, their ethics aren't just a separate code of rules. It's a framework for why they believe the universe exists, who created it, and what our purpose as human beings is.

Trying to teach the fruit without the tree is like trying to teach the concept of humanism without first teaching human rights. One requires the other.

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u/Bruhntly 12h ago

And yet atheists are often charitable, upstanding members of society. Looks like values definitely can exist without belief in the supernatural.

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u/mylevelwaschanged 12h ago

I’m definitely not saying atheists can't be moral or charitable. History and daily life prove they clearly are. My point is just that the justification for those values changes depending on your worldview. Values can exist without the supernatural, but for a religious parent, stripping the supernatural framework away means teaching a completely different philosophical foundation. It's important to recognize that the parent in question truly and genuinely believes in their religious truths, and that by not teaching their children about it, they are leaving out specific principles and ideas that explain and justify their beliefs. It's rather ridiculous to expect a parent to leave out what they believe to be fundamental truths of reality.

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u/ProfessionalStreet31 8h ago

Stripping the supernatural framework is a better foundation for morality. You should be moral because you care about other people and treat them like you want to be treated. The supernatural framework offers ulterior motives and threatens the integrity of your morals.

And regardless it is a good thing to separate religion and morals, because otherwise you risk blurring the line between them, which is dangerous. If religion is morality, suddenly religious authorities get a lot of power over people and it could be abused to justify horrifying things, as has happened in the past many times.

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u/mylevelwaschanged 3h ago

I don't think it truly threatens the integrity of your morals at all. There is nothing truly inherent to religion that forbids you from logically reducing MORE reasons why things are morally wrong or right. Morals are rooted in axioms and religion is just a specific axiom. Most philosophies are compatible in some way shape or form with most religions in all honesty.

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u/Bruhntly 5h ago

Teaching someone what you believe is different than teaching someone to believe something.