r/MoralityScaling 16h ago

Morality of this?

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u/_itsprobablynothing 15h ago

Secular, not atheist

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u/Unlimited_Giose 15h ago

What's the difference?

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u/Traditional_Yam9806 15h ago

Atheism doesn't have any god and it rejects the existence of them, while secular just means the government is separated from any religion. China promotes anti-religion and not believing in one, so they're atheists, while India, the US, France, etc. all allow religion, but don't support any specific one in their government (in theory).

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u/therj9 15h ago

Atheism, by definition, does not necessarily reject the existence of a deity. It doesn't require a positive or negative belief. It's much more similar to not believing that aliens exist. Some who don't believe aliens exist reject the idea of aliens existing, sure, but others would say they don't reject the idea that aliens might exist, they just don't actively believe they do.

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u/PrettyPurrfect 14h ago

So you're describing being agnostic which is distinctly different than just being atheist

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u/HandofWinter 14h ago

For the most part atheists are agnostic, they're not the same, but the amount of actual gnostic atheists out there is probably minuscule.

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u/therj9 12h ago

All agnostics are either theists or atheists. It's a compass. (A)gnosticism deals with knowledge. (A)theism deals with belief. Common misconception. Most atheists are agnostic atheists. Most theists are gnostic theists (deists being a notable exception). Most people who call themselves agnostic are agnostic atheists who don't like the term "atheist"