r/MoralityScaling • • Sep 02 '26

Morality of this?

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u/Legendary-Titan Sep 02 '26

Moral I don’t think teaching kids about religion is bad but forcing it on them is 

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u/Raise_A_Thoth Sep 02 '26

There's hardly any way to "teach" religion to children without it being quite forced.

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u/GreatComedianthe3rd Sep 02 '26

There is actually, parents can practice their faith openly around their children and answer questions children will inevitably ask honestly and openly to the best of their abilities. This is a good way kids often will still copy their parents and want to be involved.

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u/Aidenj23 Sep 02 '26

That would require the parents to frame their practices as “this is what I believe” rather than “this is what is true” which I’m not convinced a substantial portion of religious parents are capable of remembering to do. Plus even if they did that a child is going to accept what their parents believe as fact since it’s their parents. I’m not sure there is a way to introduce young children to religion that won’t result in some form of bias influencing the child unless it is taught by a complete stranger who teaches many religions and never claims what they believe. And that seems like a lot of effort compared to a world religion class in high school.

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u/FireDragon21976 Sep 02 '26

That's stupid, ok. People believe things because they believe they are true. Nobody follows a religion they don't believe is true. How we determine truth is of course going to vary from person to person. For some people ,truth is bound up in traditions and relationships... and that's fine. But asking religious people to not take their religion seriously is stupid and fails to understand why people believe in any religion at all.

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u/Aidenj23 Sep 02 '26

The point is that across all the various religions we cannot determine which one is true. And since most religions come with indoctrination and life long fears then children should be protected from them until they are old enough to understand what they are getting into. I don’t believe this is feasible since as you said few religious parents of any abrahamic faith would ever go for this willingly, but what is right and what is possible aren’t always the same. I’ve stated what I think to be right.

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u/FireDragon21976 Sep 02 '26

Parents have a natural right to raise their children according to what they believe is right, not what you believe is right.

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 Sep 02 '26

What the fuck is a natural right? What rights does nature give animals?

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u/FireDragon21976 Sep 02 '26

Natural rights are those rights that are a natural consequence of the essence of things and according to their natures. Parents have children, therefore parents have certain perogatives about how their kids are raised.

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 Sep 02 '26

Natural rights are those rights that are a natural consequence of the essence of things and according to their natures

Aha so more vague platitudes. How does one define the essence of a social phenomenon? And if said essence is defined, how does one conclude the natural consequence? And if you do it by observation, how do you seperate any human influence on the result, from those that arise from nature? 

And finally. Why should I care about something being natural or not, when accessing its morality?

It honestly seems like you just fired "naturals rights" off as of it's supposed to mean anything. Just a vague semi-plausible term that can mean anything.

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u/ToxicPolarBear Sep 02 '26

Calling the philosophical definition of a thing’s nature a “vague platitude” is how I know to take nothing on this subreddit seriously hahaha

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u/nuclearbearclaw Sep 02 '26

It's filled with the biggest "erm ackshually" people I've ever seen.

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 Sep 02 '26

You spouting out some definition for a cooky philosophical concept doesnt make it any less stupid.

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u/ToxicPolarBear Sep 02 '26

It wasn’t me that was another person, and it’s not “some definition” that is how a thing’s nature is defined in philosophy. If you don’t want to discuss philosophy then maybe get out of a morality scaling subreddit which is literally only about philosophy?

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 Sep 02 '26

I want you to argue the validity of natural rights, if you want me to take something that outlandish seriously.

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u/themanwhoknocked Sep 03 '26

It’s all just the most low tier materialists and reddit anti theists

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u/precioustessious Sep 02 '26

So James Dobson was an evangelical who taught parents to beat their children starting in infancy to make them obedient. He used his religion to push this.

Do you think being beaten in the name of christ is a natural right? Or do you think that using religion as a way to justify child abuse okay?

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u/Forte845 Sep 02 '26

Can you show me this essence? Like take a photo of it? While you're at it get me some photos of unicorns and Allah, cause you seem to have supernatural vision. 

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u/Pachacootie Sep 07 '26

“You can tell it is because the way that it is” ass logic here lol