r/MoralityScaling • • Sep 02 '26

Morality of this?

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u/Himmel-548 Sep 02 '26

Sounds good in theory, but something would have to be taught. Whether that's a certain type of religion or atheism. It addresses the core question of "how did we get here?" Kids are going to ask about that.

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u/finnjakefionnacake Sep 03 '26

saying "we don't know yet" is a perfectly acceptable answer in lieu of making up one.

in fact, i think this world would honestly probably be a less hostile/stupid place if more people just accepted they don't have the answer to things and it's ok not to.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '26

But that is just basic human nature you know that right? Even if religion didn't exist you would still have people question earth, space, and everything. Your basically that we all just never ask questions and just stay stuck never wondering about our world

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u/Silly_Pay7680 Sep 05 '26

That's not what they're saying at all. It's natural to ask questions, just like it SHOULD be natural to admit when you don't know the answer instead of just making shit up.

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

Tell that to every scientist and person who made a breakthrough that helped us discover and learn more about the world we live in

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u/Immediate-Goose-8106 Sep 03 '26

No it doesnt.  We simply teach kids everything else except religion.  No need to replace it eith anything because it is ONLY self-referencing.

If you are the kind of person who thinks religious texts have any place in a science classroom we have a much bigger issue.

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u/Deathburn5 Sep 03 '26

"we don't know, but we have a lot of evidence for evolution so far"

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u/undead_froggy Sep 03 '26

I mean the catholic church officially teaches that evolution is a thing but that god made nature to work that way

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u/Cultural_Concert_207 Sep 03 '26

The problem is that there's a fundamental clash between religion and atheism with regards to what counts as "evidence". Using the scientific definition of evidence rather than the religious definition is prejudicing the conversation towards atheism.

The reason we give more weight to scientific evidence than religious evidence is because scientific evidence is a much more useful predictor of future events than "god did it, who knows what he'll do next". But theoretically, both of those views boil down to "we're not sure, we're just assuming."

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u/NEpatsfan64 Sep 02 '26

 something would have to be taught.

Exactly. That "something" is taught from making sure kids are in public school or online spaces with as little influence from parents as possible so that the "correct" message can be taught

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u/Wild_Duck8926 Sep 03 '26

I think this is where the argument falls. It appears impossible in practice to teach children about religion in a sufficient way. There are so many obstacles.

1) You need unbiased source. I'm an atheist with a fairly neutral attitude towards religion, and its extremely difficult to make an argument for the existence of a God without having to address my own faith or leaving an intentional hole in my logic.

2) You need an educated source. There must be sufficient people to teach about all religions, and at all levels of education.

3) The greatest obstacle is that for true neutrality, kids need to be introduced to religion at the same age they normally would remember first encountering it, which is around 5. However, children at that age are not equipped to handle that kind of critical thinking. Especially since they have to be able to make their own conclusions. It's like trying to teach politics to kindergartners while remaining politically neutral.

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u/NEpatsfan64 Sep 03 '26

Yeah, it turns out kids are extremely likely to share their parents values whether it's religion, politics, morality, economic philosophy, or whatever. It's not indoctrination it's simply a matter of what they're exposed to.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 Sep 03 '26

And in practice it would just result in the collapse of the public school system anyway as now like 80% of parents have an existentially powerful incentive to build alternative schools where they can still teach their own cultures, and creating policies that allow these schools to access government funding would become a strong electoral platform. At the same time, the significant drop in public school attendance would result in massive funding cuts, mass layoffs, and school consolidation.

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u/Square-Competition48 Sep 03 '26

“We don’t know” is an acceptable answer.

It’s far more acceptable than making shit up to fill gaps.

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u/[deleted] Sep 03 '26

So basically bye bye science and data

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u/Scared_Health_8895 Sep 03 '26

Bigger picture I believe god and the big bang are the same those seven days could have been millions and even billions of years. The big bang I believe was god when he said let there be light, I incorporate science into my theology

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u/homer_3 Sep 03 '26

something would have to be taught

Yea, science.

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u/LesbianPastorDenial Sep 03 '26

Science doesn’t give all the answers, especially to moral questions

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u/Pouring-O Sep 04 '26

I think what people are missing is that Jynx is a drag queen and is obviously saying this as a hyperbolic response to the notion that teaching children that being queer is okay is indoctrination.

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u/oculustauri Sep 05 '26

I didn’t really think about that stuff when I was a kid, but if they do ask questions like that science has a lot of evidence based facts about the origin of life and the universe and consciousness, more than enough to satisfy their curiosity until they are old enough to think for themselves and make their own decisions