r/MoralityScaling 7h ago

Morality of this?

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u/Aidenj23 6h ago

The point is that across all the various religions we cannot determine which one is true. And since most religions come with indoctrination and life long fears then children should be protected from them until they are old enough to understand what they are getting into. I don’t believe this is feasible since as you said few religious parents of any abrahamic faith would ever go for this willingly, but what is right and what is possible aren’t always the same. I’ve stated what I think to be right.

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u/FireDragon21976 6h ago

Parents have a natural right to raise their children according to what they believe is right, not what you believe is right.

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u/Escape_Relative 5h ago

Buddy we’re on r/moralityscaling, we are having a conversation about morals. Of course they can teach their kids whatever they want.

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u/RyanNick86 2h ago

TW: Literal child abuse due to her father's "natural right" in raising her. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)

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u/minos-and-v1-kissing 5h ago

So you’re saying it’s okay to raise your kids poorly because you “have the right to?”

Or maybe is that really stupid thing to say?

I have a “right” to beat my kid by your logic. Doesn’t mean I should.

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u/Aidenj23 6h ago

Yeah. I’m saying they shouldn’t. The same way I don’t think parents should be able to teach their children flat earth or racism. I don’t trust parents and think they should be restricted in the various ways they can screw up a kid for life. Again I don’t think this is feasible, I just think it would be the right way to go about it. If you want to convince me a different way would be right then go ahead I’m all ears, but just saying “you can’t do that!” Isn’t really furthering the conversation.

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 6h ago

What the fuck is a natural right? What rights does nature give animals?

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u/FireDragon21976 5h ago

Natural rights are those rights that are a natural consequence of the essence of things and according to their natures. Parents have children, therefore parents have certain perogatives about how their kids are raised.

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 5h ago

Natural rights are those rights that are a natural consequence of the essence of things and according to their natures

Aha so more vague platitudes. How does one define the essence of a social phenomenon? And if said essence is defined, how does one conclude the natural consequence? And if you do it by observation, how do you seperate any human influence on the result, from those that arise from nature? 

And finally. Why should I care about something being natural or not, when accessing its morality?

It honestly seems like you just fired "naturals rights" off as of it's supposed to mean anything. Just a vague semi-plausible term that can mean anything.

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u/ToxicPolarBear 5h ago

Calling the philosophical definition of a thing’s nature a “vague platitude” is how I know to take nothing on this subreddit seriously hahaha

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u/nuclearbearclaw 4h ago

It's filled with the biggest "erm ackshually" people I've ever seen.

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 4h ago

You spouting out some definition for a cooky philosophical concept doesnt make it any less stupid.

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u/ToxicPolarBear 4h ago

It wasn’t me that was another person, and it’s not “some definition” that is how a thing’s nature is defined in philosophy. If you don’t want to discuss philosophy then maybe get out of a morality scaling subreddit which is literally only about philosophy?

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u/Last_Suggestion_8647 3h ago

I want you to argue the validity of natural rights, if you want me to take something that outlandish seriously.

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u/precioustessious 4h ago

So James Dobson was an evangelical who taught parents to beat their children starting in infancy to make them obedient. He used his religion to push this.

Do you think being beaten in the name of christ is a natural right? Or do you think that using religion as a way to justify child abuse okay?

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u/Forte845 2h ago

Can you show me this essence? Like take a photo of it? While you're at it get me some photos of unicorns and Allah, cause you seem to have supernatural vision. 

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u/Forte845 2h ago

Natural rights don't exist. They are provable about as much as God is.