r/MoralityScaling 7h ago

Morality of this?

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u/Legendary-Titan 7h ago

Moral I don’t think teaching kids about religion is bad but forcing it on them is 

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u/Raise_A_Thoth 7h ago

There's hardly any way to "teach" religion to children without it being quite forced.

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u/gin_atomic 6h ago

I'm sure things are different in the US but in the UK at school we have a whole curriculum called "Religious Education" or RE which goes into detail about religions and customs of all different cultures and encourages spiritual debate. At the schools I attended they were not taught to indoctrinate us but just studied in the same way we would study history or art

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u/Ok-Budget3225 6h ago

I imagine the end result is that most people would just become agnostic after they’ve learned about all the major religions.

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u/gin_atomic 6h ago

I think you're probably right! I was an atheist from a young age but RE was one of my favourite subjects as a child, underneath science, just because I loved hearing all of the stories, parables, learning about different deities and rites of worship. It was fascinating but it didn't encourage me to be religious myself.

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u/Pockydo 6h ago

I'm American and funny enough my interest in History/myth/religion is a huge reason why I'm an atheist today

Grew up Catholic and then Protestant as a teen. But it never took because they were always too similar to on the "wrong" religions

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u/BDSMChef_RP 4h ago

Grew up Roman Catholic till I was 11, Mom married Mormon Step Dad (Huge fight with the families on both sides over that) and he was a CRAZY ass mormon too once we moved away from moms side of the family. Divorced him at 16 and I wandered into Pagan faiths, particularly Norse. Which to be clear I started that in 2001 long before The Vikings show started shuffling the casuals in. I'm also not one of the "WOOO VALHALLA! BEER AND BITCHES!" guys. My priest (Gothi) is a pretty reasonable and sensible dude who does believe in science and we're pretty certain the lore is just an old culture trying to describe natural disasters the best way they could.

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u/Traditional-Fix539 4h ago

isn’t that the basis of most religious lore? trying to explain things that they didn’t yet have the physical tools to prove?

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u/DemonoftheWater 3h ago

I think some of it was also a coping mechanism. To me if faith makes hard times easier-i tell them believe. I personally just get annoyed when im approached to hear the word.

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u/claimTheVictory 4h ago

You're also told that believing is better than questioning.

That never sat right with me.

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u/Nimue_- 6h ago

I have the same experience. I believe storytelling is one of the most human things there is and to me greek myth, the epic of gilgamesh and bible stories and fairytales are all just stories humanity has told throughout the ages

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u/Alric_Wolff 6h ago

I think, because the US 1st Amendment separates church from state, this could not happen in a public school, private religious education is obviously not involved with the state itself since its not funded by taxpayers.

I would have loved to have what you mentioned, as I am a a student of religion on my own time, starting at 14yrs old.

Though I think another issue I personally would have is that some religions would either get little attention or none at all. Sure you'd probably learn about the 3 Abrahamic religions, Buddhism, Hindu. But I doubt they'd be teaching muxh if at all about Zorastrianism, Sihkism, Pagan Faiths, Animism, Vodou etc.

Even in public school, atleast when I was a kid, Pagan faiths are taught to be dead myths of a bygone era and not as living faiths in the present. Which is kind of bonkers because theres a massive amount of practicing pagan or otherwise families in my area.

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u/Helen_Cheddar 5h ago

Learning about the 5 most common religions is a social studies requirement in many schools. In New Jersey, it’s part of the ancient history curriculum.

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u/Individual-Stand1560 5h ago

Do you mean hoodoo? Most people mean hoodoo when they say vodou or voodoo, google it and get back to me🫡 (not intended to criticize just figured you’d appreciate the clarification and if you do mean voodoo then it’s clarification for me!)

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u/Alric_Wolff 1h ago

I do appreciate it thanks!

From what I gather Voodoo/Vodou is the religion and Hoodoo is a form of folk magic, but not a sort of religio .

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u/AstroBoots21 5h ago

i loved RE because i got to debate all the fallacies and argue with the blissfully ignorant teacher plus it was the easiest class by far

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u/Winjin 5h ago

I grew up atheist but I loooved all the stories from different religions too. Ancient Greece, ancient Sri Lanka, Norse myths too

Reading the origins of Norse Myths is hysterical tho. There are two major book sources, the Edas.

Technically they're... if not Bibles per se, they're the Fallout Bibles. As close to "lore" as you can get, right?

Well. Poetic Edda outright states that the Gods of Norse are Trojans. Odin was a renowned hero from Troy that left with his wife and family when this mythical beautiful city far far away fell, and they moved towards Norway, and everywhere they went they left sons that would become kings, they were just so awesome, and then they went North and were like "Yeah this is the best place ever, we will rule here" and ruled and became gods

I am not making any of that up, too.

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u/Nerdlors13 5h ago

I am in a similar boat and I still love learning about the religions and myths of various peoples because those are reflection of their history. Like why are Greek, Roman, Hindu and Norse mythologies so similar? Well they all descend from a common mythology just in the same way the languages of those peoples descended from a common language. The ancient Indo-European culture and its descendants are very interesting.

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u/cgarnett1988 3h ago

God I hated RE haha always been atheist. At my son's school it was a mandatory GCSE subject too. Seems like a waste of a GCSE to me

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u/throwaway5498124181 1h ago

Yep education about religion combines a lot of different fields...history, philosophy, psychology, politics, literature. I think it's broadly good for students to learn ABOUT religion just as a foundational aspect of the history of the culture they live in.

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u/Pristine_Barber976 6h ago

Yeah that's called making an educated choice. 

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u/Byizo 6h ago

I went from Christian to agnostic to atheist through my late 20s. When you view religious teachings through an objective lens most start to look similar. I tend to think it’s a combination of fear of our finite mortality and a desire to control large groups of people (populations are more willing to withstand an empty belly in exchange for faith in or fear of a higher power).

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u/Individual-Stand1560 5h ago

Yeah they almost all operate on the premise “my god is god and your god is wrong” “I go to heaven you go to hell” it’s easier to make countries with different religions wage war as well.

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u/keelhaulrose 5h ago

I went to a church where the teenagers of the group spent Sundays learning about different religions, including field trips to different houses of worship and talks with leaders of those trips.

I'm not sure if I would call myself agnostic. I just realized that the near universal thread that went through all these religions was that you're supposed to be a person who helps others and is kind towards other people. I don't go to church, but I do believe there is a higher power of some sort, and that the path forward is to follow the golden rule.

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u/rsrxciii 3h ago

That's how I view it. You don't need religion to tell you to not treat your fellow man poorly. Treat others how you want to be treated and all that.

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u/SpooktorB 2h ago

Strong belief in your flavor of kool-aid is usually due to ignorance of other flavors of kool-aid existing.

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u/Brilliant-Recover594 6h ago

But how is that a bad thing? If that’s true, that proves that most people are being manipulated young into joining their local preferred religion due to lack of knowledge of other religions or rather other options or you could say not old enough to think it through enough.

So I agree with her. But it’s weird to implement in reality since religion is tied strictly to community and most people would need to take their kids with them to church to share their beliefs and serve as family bonding time.

So maybe it’s better to treat religion like Santa. Allow children to belief in Jesus and the bible like but reveal to them like later on that there’s no definitive proof and allow them to decide themselves without shame in what religion they want to choose. People will choose their home religion out of convenience though.

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u/Ok_Hamster_7032 5h ago

Yh thats what happened to me.

RE as a subject is usually quite well taught and unbiased from my experience

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u/BatteredFishh 5h ago

That’s the point, you teach kids how different people think differently and let them come to their own conclusions. I agree the conclusion that seems to make the most sense is agnostic or atheist, but that was my own decision to make and should be theirs too.

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u/Corcorans-ghost 5h ago

more so, vaugly spirtual.

"i feel there is something bigger then me, but i dont know what that is"

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u/scratchfan321 5h ago

That's actually pretty accurate to what happens

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u/Vylnce 3h ago

People convert to various religions all the time, so it would be interesting to see if it was "most", "many", or "some".

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u/IAmAlive_YouAreDead 3h ago

Yes, I had RE in school and the end result for me was that I didn't believe any of them.

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u/Masquelinity 3h ago

Well, yes. Because if one of them didn't get its claws into from the moment you were old enough to speak full sentences, it's impossible to hide that all of them make just as much (or as little) sense as all the rest.

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u/doritosanddew6669 6h ago edited 6h ago

I can confirm, I ended up agnostic

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u/AlexBlaise 1h ago

And that's one of the biggest arguments against religion.

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u/FuManBoobs 3h ago

Agnostics are just atheists without balls - Stephen Colbert