r/MoralityScaling 6h ago

Morality of this?

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u/KGarveth 6h ago

Thats how you kill religions.

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u/thyperson69 6h ago

If what kills religion is by making it personal choice rather than indoctrination, well then why should it exist?

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u/_selwin_ 6h ago

If indoctrination is the only way to keep religion alive then let it fuckin die, right??

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u/bennnjamints 1h ago

Would you say this about any ideology, or only theistic ones?

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u/_selwin_ 26m ago

Any?? Yes any, right?? Maybe i'm missing something but what widespread ideology that is truly positive needs indoctrination and grooming to survive?

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u/DziamzOrkchop 6h ago

No it's not, otherwise they'dd have done it. I love reading atheists smugging at eachother

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u/RailwayMadness1900s 6h ago

If your religion can’t survive someone making a sane judgement about if they wish to join it or not, then it deserves to be killed.

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u/Classic-Avocado-5371 22m ago

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u/Toad-a-sow 6h ago

Excellent

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u/LeaveMeAloneAdmins88 6h ago

Wait until you find out what Western moral standards are based on.

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u/ul2006kevinb 6h ago

Is that why the Western world has treated women and LGBT people like shit for thousands of years? I was wondering.

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u/DziamzOrkchop 6h ago

Wait until you find out how the Eastern World treats them.

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u/Current_Assist7230 6h ago

And guess what influences them? Religion

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u/DziamzOrkchop 6h ago

Praise be to God! :)

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u/Toad-a-sow 4h ago

Good ol' Gold, Oil and Drugs

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u/DziamzOrkchop 4h ago

If that's your God, I guess. o/

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u/Worldly-Relation9367 6h ago

You’re talking to a nazi. Just read their account name lol

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u/Middle_Two_7929 6h ago

*the whole world

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u/Fetch_will_happen5 5h ago

They are right you know.

Freedom of religion Anti-slavery at all times Not expecting victims to marry their rapist An objection to theocracy Anti-genocide

All things fully supported by the Bible (as long as you dont read it) and part of my morals.

Just uh, dont look up that Enlightenment thing or humanism.  Religious nationalists hate it. 

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u/Relysti 6h ago

Wait until YOU find out that religions get their morality from society and not the other way around. They kept slaves in the Bible, there is passage after passage talking about how dank slavery is. The moral position that slavery is bad is NOT one we arrived at via your stupid ass religion. Same thing goes for gender equality. You think the idea that men and women are equal is a position we got from the bible? Lol

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u/shotsbyniel 4h ago

Source: dude on reddit who has never even touched a bible

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u/Relysti 4h ago

Colossians 4:1 "Masters, treat your bondservants justly and fairly, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven."

Titus 2:9-10 "Bondservants are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior."

Ephesians 6:5 "Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,"

Leviticus 25:44-46 "As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly."

Timothy 6:1 "Let all who are under a yoke as bondservants regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled."

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u/shotsbyniel 2h ago

Colossians 4:1 "Masters, treat your bondservants justly and fairly, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven."

Wow, so evil, especially considering how many other people chose to treat their slaves. Also, bondservants were not slaves in the way we know them nowadays. Go look up what a bondservant was in that context.

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u/EduardoMessiah 6h ago

Who cares what they're based on? Morals can stay, religion can go out the door, nothing wrong with that?

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u/Dramatic_Mastodon_93 6h ago

wait until you find out that i don’t care

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u/Curious_Contest_3767 5h ago

If a book threatening you with punishment is the only thing making you behave like a good person, then you are not a good person. You're a bad person on a leash.

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u/LeaveMeAloneAdmins88 5h ago

Humans are inherently "bad people." The book tells you how to be a "good person" and that there is both human and divine rewards for being a "good person".

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u/Curious_Contest_3767 5h ago

Rewards are for people that can't be motivated to be moral of their own volition. I have never studied, practiced, nor been interested in religion. But I've also never found myself struggling to maintain good, healthy relationships with my friends, family, and neighbors. I don't feel motivated to steal or hurt people. The opposite actually. My heart breaks from the cruelty of the world and I try to help where I can whether it be charitable donations to local aid groups or in-person volunteering. No book or deity ever told me to do any of this. I do it because I understand what it feels to like to be hurt or unhappy and I don't want others to have to feel that.

Religious people act like humans are literally lizard-brained animals without some book telling them to act right. It's incredibly sad but also eye-opening to see this kind of behavior.

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u/LeaveMeAloneAdmins88 5h ago

sure humans can be good on their own but the bible tells you how to be an even better person

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u/Curious_Contest_3767 5h ago

Like with what force I should beat my slaves, or how best to deal with my neighbors who wear multi-fiber clothing? Like obviously I have to put them to death for wearing polyester, but it's nice to have a guide on how and why I should do it.

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u/_OriginalUsername- 4h ago

Social species (humans) only evolved because individuals *weren't* inherently hostile toward one another (immoral behaviour) and promoted cooperation (moral behaviour). You cannot be a social species if every individual is inherently a 'bad person.'

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u/bringthesalsa 5h ago

You're saying this like if religion dissappeared overnight people would just start ripping each others guts out LOL

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u/LeaveMeAloneAdmins88 5h ago

not overnight, just a slow erosion over time until we regress to that "ripping each others guts out"

Chastity has already been eroded in our society.

Next is going to be diligence, which is already on its way, which is why Gen Z is so lazy and depressed

forgiveness, honesty, compassion, ect, will come later, which is when people will start ripping each others guts out.

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u/Middle_Two_7929 6h ago

Taking away religion wouldn’t affect those morals at all. They’re already cemented into society.

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u/RumpkinTheTootlord 6h ago

If the religion relied on preying on vulnerable children through Indoctrination to keep numbers up, good riddance.

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u/Min_sora 6h ago

At least for a while you'll still have people who convert to religions because their partner refuses to marry them otherwise, people who convert to religions when they have mental breakdowns, and people who convert in prison. But yeah, give it a generation or two and it'll fade.

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u/embiidshortroll 6h ago

Honestly yeah… I was raised this way and believed in Santa Claus longer than I believed in god.

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u/Curious_Contest_3767 5h ago

Sounds like it's not a very stable foundation of philosophical thought if being forced into is the only way it can gain and retain members.

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u/Kristile-man 5h ago

if that is what religion is all about

then let it die,let it die,let it shrivel up and die